– Health Ministry’s resources feel the squeeze
The projections are placing the number of Venezuela migrants in Guyana by next year at almost 40,000.
Minister Volda Lawrence and host, Leonard Gildarie, during ‘The Political Show’
The situation is creating challenges to the Ministry of Public Health and other state resources.
Minister Volda Lawrence has since described the situation as a ticking “time bomb”.
Minister Lawrence made the disclosures, Wednesday, while a guest on ‘The Political Show’ on Kaieteur Radio.
Questioned by host, Leonard Gildarie, about the challenges faced by the Health Ministry on the influx, the Minister admitted that Guyana’s scarce resources are indeed feeling it.
Indeed, a number of Caribbean and South American countries have already been tightening up their borders.
Trinidad and Tobago has been facing major crime problems, with blame placed on gangs from Venezuela.
In Guyana, hundreds of Guyanese who had migrated to Venezuela years ago have returned amid hardship in that neighbouring, Spanish-speaking country.
Hundreds of thousands of them have fled that oil rich country to other neighbouring countries.
Venezuelans nearer to the border area of Guyana have travelled across.
There are more than 10,000 of them in Guyana, with children being placed in schools as part of a regularization process.
On the coastlands, there is an increasing presence. This is evident in stores and homes being rented. Recently on the East Bank Demerara, pockets of the migrants were found squatting on the sea defence reserves.
The situation has the Government rattled but Guyana has not immediately taken a decision to restrict the Venezuelan migrants.
Certain that radio listeners would stop and listen, Lawrence dropped the bombshell on Wednesday November 20, 2019.
The Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) and the World Health Organization (WHO) have
Venezuelan Migrants squatting on East Bank Demerara sea defence reserves
projected that Guyana will have between 35,000- 38,000 Venezuelan migrants in the country by next year.
The Minister was quick to point out that the figures could change quickly depending on what happens in Venezuela.
Insisting that Guyana is a blessed place, the Minister said that Guyana is sitting on a “time bomb” with porous borders not helping the situation.
Already, the government has established a task force to manage the Venezuelan migrants’ situation.
Representatives of the Joint Services, Ministry of Health, Ministry of Citizenship and well the Civil Defence Commission are all part of that Task Force.
She disclosed that the Task Force came up with protocols once a Venezuelan enters, he or she has to be registered and documented.
They are directed in cases by the army and immigration personnel to visit the nearest health centres.
Already, the Minister said, there are measures in place that migrants have to be tested unless they are able to produce a medical passport.
In the absence of medical information, the migrants are immediately inoculated.
Indeed, Lawrence admitted, it is a challenge with health personnel monitoring for Yellow Fever, Dengue, Diphtheria, and other illnesses.
She said that the porous borders would have seen Venezuelans entering and moving to villages, living there, many of them from the same tribe.
Until now, there have been little details of the Venezuelans here.
Government with CDC and its partners have been registering them, handing out food and cleaning supplies.
The situation has been that the authorities are trying to keep up, depending on residents, village leaders and others to report the presence of the migrants.
On the river bank area, between Herstelling and Diamond, East Bank Demerara, scores of Venezuelan migrants built rickety shacks and are living with no running water or toilets. For months, they were under the radar.
The authorities, following the story in Kaieteur News last week, visited the area, sharing our supplies.
The Venezuelans, many of them with small children, are to be relocated.
Minister of Citizenship, Winston Felix and team visiting the Grove/Diamond river banks area last week where Venezuelan migrants have been squatting.
On Thursday, Minister Lawrence disclosed on the show, a team from her Ministry, was set to visit Region Seven to check on a situation there.
It is costing the government big time. There are more vaccines and reagents for tests needed with medication in demand.
In fact, many of the Venezuelans are coming with diabetes, hypertension, with even cases of patients needing dialysis–a very expensive treatment for kidney failure.
The migrants, obviously, don’t have money to visit private hospitals.
“So it is the public health system that feels the brunt of it.”
Guyana, to deal with the situation, has been getting help from Washington and Geneva.
Lawrence disclosed that the extra vaccines, mopping up exercises, the logistics of moving doctors and nurses, and sending them to border areas all have a cost.
She lauded the CDC and the Catholic Church for playing a big role in handling the situation.
Earlier this month, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) launched a US$1.35B regional plan to respond to the increasing humanitarian needs of Venezuelan refugees and migrants in Latin America and the Caribbean, and the communities hosting them. Guyana is likely to benefit.
As of early November 2019, IOM said, there were approximately 4.6 million refugees and migrants from Venezuela around the world. Nearly 80 percent are in Latin American and Caribbean countries – with no prospect for return in the short to medium term. If current trends continue, 6.5 million Venezuelans could be outside the country by the end of 2020.
The 2020 Regional Refugee and Migrant Response Plan (RMRP) being launched in the Colombian capital, Bogotá, is a coordination and a fundraising tool established and implemented by 137 organisations. These are working across the region, aiming to reach almost four million people – including Venezuelan refugees and migrants and host communities – in 17 countries.
The plan includes actions in nine key sectors: health; education; food security; integration; protection; nutrition; shelter; relief items and humanitarian transport; and water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH). In addition to the emergency response, the 2020 RMRP puts a strong focus on ensuring the social and economic inclusion of refugees and migrants.
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The destabilization of South American is underway.
I wonder if this is part of the agreement with Exxon-Mobil. The Guiana shield basin had oil for thousands of years, but suddenly when AmeriKKKa declared war on Venezuela in 2014, Guyana offshore basin suddenly found oil.
French Guiana found oil as recent as 2011. Suriname produced oil for decades. Something to think about.
40.000 a joke….it’s just the beginning !
MADuro is quite happy to have his
dissidents occupy Essequibo …no need
to invade. Clever tactics ! Castro emptied
his jails of dissidents after Clinton opened
doors to USA. Politricks !
In my opinion
A few hundred thousands Venezuelans is better
than 1m Chinese Indians or Russians.
Let’s see if the UN supports lil Guyana in
accommodating these economic migrants.
They are not refugees or asylum seekers.
Some are also guyanese who wish to return
to Guyana.
Let’s see how this one develops.
Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇪🇸👽
Guns are getting plenty in GT, and the Pablo gangsters are scaring lots of people here. They are more ruthless than the bandits of the Mash Day jailbreak. I guess this has to do with the industrialisation of Venezuela and rancho (ghetto) lifestyles. Venezuela was once deemed a tropical paradise by the ABC countries, thus the First World problems end up in Venezuela.
One of the Pablo gangsters even livestreamed a beheading video of an Amerindian-Guyanese teenage boy in Essequibo. Honestly, not even the most dangerous bandit during Mash Day jail break wouldn’t have the guts to do that. Tiefman only want to buss shot and that’s it. Beheading and dismemberment videos is too extreme for Guyanese bandits.
Or. ….. Check em before you let em. That was the only useful idea Guyana learned from our “friends” in the Caribbean as they cherry picked the cream of the Guyanese crop. BTW. close the borders please.
Close the borders? Good luck confronting armed narco gangs who behead people and smuggle Venezuelans over the border.
Trump is all talk. He can’t confront the human smugglers.
Do you know…….you are the first, first, to mention TRAFFICKING! WOW Next maybe you might mention. OPEN BORDERS EQUAL $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The GDF has a problem with the Pablo gangsters using their Cuban link guns that have more firepower than the GDF arsenal. I don’t think closing borders is that easy my friend.
Venezuela was once a tropical paradise for the ABC countries and the urban and industrialised problems have turned lots of mestizo youth into cold-blooded murderers who have no remorse for beheading people.
The reason why Guyana doesn’t have that problem is because we have lots of land, and we don’t let invaders from the First World create ghetto cities and gun culture.
Trinidad let the ABC countries use them like a London hooker, and now it’s having the same ruthless gang problems as Venezuela today.
I wonder why Venezuelans who have extreme prejudice towards Afro-Latinos have now started to settle here, a country which has an urban population of mostly African heritage?
Does Veenzuela know how much oil Guyana’s basin really has?
Guyanese fleeing to the white supremacist countries to live like dawg, while the Venezuelans are coming here to live as squatters.
What do the Venezuelans know that we don’t? Is the estimated oil reserves more than 6.5 billion barrels of oil?
A Venezuelan with a speaking tone that sounds Trini, but speaks some English told me that the “Essequiba” ocean basin has “lots of oil” and the current findings are only a “minimale” projection of what is really to yet be discovered.
I joked in response asking if he’s here to claim the oil, and we both laughed lol.
I don’t believe that he is capable of beheading me though.
My gut feeling is that Venezuelans who are specifically coming here know how much oil is in the Guiana basin, and they are coming here as economic migrants.
Venezuelans and Brazilians used to think that Guyana was nothing special, but the “Essequiba” offshore basin that Venezuelans claimed was international sea boundary until a “few years ago” holds a lot more oil than experts have imagined.
I’ll ask my Pablo friend tomorrow how much exactly. If 6.5 billion barrels is “minimale”, then I guess that he means 65 billion barrels of oil?
Guyana will be facing a new set of serious problems with all this migration of peoples to tthe country. Apart from the risk of bad apples coming in, the country will need aid to help cope with the influx of people vis a vis health care, education, housing to name a few. I doubt that there are enough jobs to go around at this juncture but further down the road when the oil industry starts to produce, it will open up businesses for potential employment. It’s very difficult to police our borders even if we had enough manpower to do so.
What if the peoples were from Europe or Asia? Would anyone have a problem then?
Why does one conflate Venezuelans and Haitian arrivals to that of disease and criminality?
How did the Native Indians feel when European colonists gave them “blankets of smallpox” and wiped away 95% of the Native Indian population in the USA?
These Venezuelans who are coming here are mainly 1) Guyanese remigrants and 2) Amerindian-looking or Afro-Latino Venezuelans.
If the Venezuelans coming here were the Nazis who fled Europe after the war, a certain segment of Guyanese would kiss the ground they walk on because “white people gaat moneeeyyy!” and “de enemy of my enemy is meh fren”.
So much stigma to the Amerindian-looking and Afro-Latino Venezuelans who were forced from their lands that they inhabited way before the revolution of Simon Bolivar, yet no one peeps when the Nazis came to Venezuela in droves during the late 1940s and 1950s.
There are GERMAN Venezuelans who live lavishly and are ISOLATED from the rest of non-white Venezuela.
Trump contends that Mexicans are rapists, while his forefathers used to operate a brothel in Canada.
Late 20th century European settlers flocked to Venezuela in droves, ranging from the Nazis who personally each murdered thousands of Jews, to the Italian mafia.
But the hate goes on the real Venezuelans who lived on the land for hundreds of years.
Trevor I’m interested to know if you currently live in Guyana. The reason I’m asking is because I’m sure that if you ask Guyanese living in Guyana how they feel about the influx of people coming in from as you stated…Venezuela and Haiti, you will find that the majority of them are not as welcoming as you appear to be. Comments made by Guyanese arm chair critics who do not live in the country and, therefore, are not the ones that would be affected by the fallout, tend to be the most forthcoming with criticisms and so called solutions.
Linda
It’s just an opinion !
Don’t have to live in Timbuktu to know
what is wrong/right with Timbuktu !
Lived in Guyana carribean North America
South America uk Eu but grew up in Guyana
and have many friends and family living there.
Left Guyana in 1960’s returned 1970’s
lived worked and had my 4 children there.
Returned to UK/EU where my children
grew up. Today my 4 and 6 grandchildren
live in UK/EU …uk spain Italy Portugal.
The opportunities for them are there for
the taking.
Most of us now in diaspora wish to see
the country of our birth develop and prosper.
Guyanese and some Cariribean folks
are the most welcoming and friendly
people on the planet.
In my opinion.
Kamtan
Kamtan,
It seems that some people expect me to go and behave like a backwards ‘white nationalist’ harassing and victimising the Amerindian-Venezuelans and Haitians.
How do British Africans and African-Americans feel that supposedly Indo-Guyanese Linda is in their country and receiving benefits that Africans have fought for since slavery?
Freddie Kissoon is against hate. Is he also an arm-chair Diaspora Guyanese?
Lots of people are arriving in Guyana; Chinese, Indian, Israeli, Poland, Estonian, Russian, American, British, but no, let’s all hate the Venezuelans, Brazilians and Haitians who had presence in Guyana since Burnham time and probably longer before that.
No one wants to say. “Check em before you let”. because that’s what TRUMP said, that is what CANADA did for many years, successfully..
Obvious, diversity only works in small doses. This is for this website…trudeau and his bunch of crooked liberals destroyed a system that was the envy of the world!
When Trump was with Jeffrey Epstein allegedly involved in raping pre-teenage girls in the Bahamas, no one was checking them before Bahamas let them in.
What does Trudeau have to do with Venezuelans? He looks like a gay man who is loved by non-Europeans because of his father’s role in creating a law which allowed Guyanese, and many other Caribbean people to migrate to Canada from the late 1960s to early 1970s.
Now let me ask you how do you think the African-American brethren feel when they fought for equality and the Indo-Caribbean, Indian-Asian and Oriental people have migrated to America and have benefited from those laws?
You and Linda would encourage me to harass and assault Venezuelans and Haitians, when I HAVE NO CONTROL OF REFUGEES AND IMMIGRATION LAW IN GUYANA. NOBODY DOES EXCEPT THE MINISTRY OF CITIZENSHIP.
I’m fed up of this white nationalist rubbish that has corrupted the minds of Indo-Guyanese. YOU ARE NOT WHITE!
And the mixed race Indo-Guyanese who have traces of European, Amerindian or African, those 100% Indo-Guyanese and even the Indian-Asian treat them worse than dogs.
WHAT IF, African-Americans wanted YOU to LEAVE their country, and viewed YOU as a foreign invader trying to take advantage of the equality laws that they fought for?
What are the bigoted Indo-Guyanese doing in New York, a predominately African-American community, if they are posting hate that they and their families in Guyana don’t like Haitians or Venezuelans who came here because of actions beyond their control such as US sanctions or Trump’s war on Latinos?
I’m what one considers “African Guyanese” and I don’t have a big issue with my Haitian brethren since you brought that along.
The admins know my religious viewpoints are that of the Hebrew Israelites in NYC and GMS camp in Trinidad and Jamaica.
And yes, the only people hostile and “anti-migrant” to those Latinos and Haitians are Indo-Guyanese and a few who have learned to embrace this “patriotism” in order to survive.
Linda, I remember a time going into a Chinese-owned store in Regent Street and the cashier was a dutty skin Bangladeshi or slum Indian who refused to serve me and told me that the store isn’t for me.
The store only sells to tourists and white-skin people believe it or not. They tell darker-skinned people that the item out of stock or they refuse to service the Guyanese customers.
Are Venezuelans and Haitians doing this to us here?
Who buying up all of the prime real estate in GT that even with the salary increases, one single person can’t rent a flat of a house in East Coast or West Bank because the rent is higher than the $70,000 a month public wage?
The only reason why many Guyanese in the Diaspora and here in GT have issue with Venezuelans & Haitians is because they are not White. End of story.
If it was Europeans coming here, the Indo-Guyanese bigots would kiss their foot bottom while the racist white man pull de trigger pon dem head top for their white racist garbage against non-Europeans.
How do the African-Americans feel that Indo-Guyanese are migrating to New York and taking away the jobs from the African-Americans and Puerto Ricans?
My apologies mods, but someone brought up my Haitian brethren and I’m considered the so-called African-Guyanese.
If you think my comment went too far you can edit it.
I’m not involved in any hate against illegal migrants like most people.
But how do African-Americans feel when immigrants from other countries take advantage of the laws that they fought for that was what I was asking.
Of course, if poorer countries hear that a country has oil, and the population is scarce, one would expect migration there to those countries.
Population growth happened exponentially in Dubai, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc.
But why is it okay to discriminate against Amerindian-Venezuelans and Black Haitian brethren?
I honestly think that a certain type of Guyanese wants only Europeans to settle in Guyana while the Amerindians, the African-Guyanese and the mixed races crawl in a corner and die off.
Almost. went along. until “Dubai, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,” worst cases of controlled immigration. They. check check and double check then at their Leisure. Kick kick Out. bad example
Yea, kick kick, kick out the Africans and the Indian/Pakistani construction workers and give red carpet to the white man and white woman in an Islamic country where the whites are exempt from Islamic law, but the locals and brown people have to follow the Islam way of life.
WHAT ARE YOU doing in Canada or America when it was African-American activists who fought for laws that allowed Guyanese to migrate there because those countries only wanted Europeans to settle there because of racism?
(Sarcasm alert) You know what Wally and Linda.
I agree. Guyana is for Guyanese only and we should hate the Venezuelans and Haitians for trying to settle in Guyana because we are superior to the Latinos and Haitians.
The Venezuelans who lived on the continent for thousands of years, and the Haitians who are genetically related to us from the Senegal area of Africa are foreign invaders who are doing white genocide against the white people. Africa for Africans, India for Indians but white countries for everyone.
I have written a manifesto complaining that these pesky Venezuelans and Haitians are a plague to society, and that what the New Zealand and El Paso shooters did in response to “foreign invaders” was justifiable, based on your concerns of the Haitian threat to Guyanese society.
WHITE POWER!
YOU ROCK! YOU ARE COOL! LINDA AND WALLY!
#Typing this as an Indo-Guyanese living in an African-American community in New York City or Toronto!
Sarcasm alert:
#Indo Guyanese white supremacy wannabe!
#Wally when are you gonna do the #El Paso in El Dorado?
# Linda is right. As an African-Guyanese I should hate Haitians while the Indo-Guyanese businessmen construct massive buildings across GT.
# Anti-immigrant manifesto
#Close the borders and treat Venezuelans like Mexicans in El Paso!
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Wally do you know how ridiculous it is for Indo-Guyanese to claim that Guyana belongs to them when it was the struggle of African slaves which weakened the French and Dutch empires which allowed the British to bring Indo-Guyanese to the Caribbean?
Hating on Venezuelans and Haitians is not my cup of roots!
Mi done. I have no control of how many Venezuelans, or Haitians, arrive in Guyana, but if Minister Volda Lawrence is allowing them in, maybe consider complaining to her, rather than tell me to hate on people who lived in this region far longer than anyone else?
What I find hypocritical is that those who are pushing anti-migrant theories live in African-American communities and benefit from laws that they fought for using their blood, sweat and lives.
The keyboard wannabe white supremacist Indo-Guyanese telling me to hate on Haitians. Guyana isn’t going to be Diwaliville and Dubai racist countryland!
How would the racists like it if African-Americans decide to deport Indo-Caribbeans?
Oh wait…A bi-racial President Obama let more Indo-Guyanese into the USA during his presidency than lots of former Presidents before him.
And you are telling me that rather than talk to the Venezuelan and Haitian as acquaintances to know why they are here, and their motives, you want me to become hostile to them and possibly mimic the mass shootings that go on against Mexicans,Africans and Muslims in the White countries?
Mi done!
There you go, left home with out you net, again. Let’s start over…….Every country has the right to invite people who they feel can improve or offer something of value. Globalist, U N should never dictate, especially today when mass migration has become a tool of traffickers and dishonest. BTW. IMA OUT!
What about the Indo-Guyanese who allege that Burnham was oppressing them, and they came to Canada, America and UK as ‘refugees’?
What bout the Guyanese who even hid themselves inside shipping containers to live illegally in America and are now typing conspiracy theories on the computer keyboard and spreading hate?
Why no complaint of European and Trinidad businesses taking over Guyana business, or the Chinese national buying up Regent Street?
I’m a government worker and I am civil. I don’t want to foster hate towards the Venezuelans and Haitians because that is not my job. I talk to them and help them get the vaccinations and pills that they need. They are mainly single parents and children. The Pablos don’t show up to government for help!
I can argue that if it was Europeans the Indo-Guyanese would bow down and clasp their hand like pray to the white racist when he pull de trigger pon dem skull and den repeat dat pon dem entire family in white supremacy hate crime. If Indo-Guyanese want that, they can live in Eastern Europe with RUSAL.
Wally are you Indo-Guyanese, African, or mixed? If you’re Indo-Guyanese, why do you subscribe to the white nationalist ‘globalist’ conspiracy when Trump’s corporate donors take advantage of Mexican labour to reduce costs and increase profits?
If Trump is anti-globalists, then why are his corporate donors evading taxes by parking their profits in offshore GLOBAL tax havens?
I’m not gonna listen to Trump and harm any Venezuelan mother, child or baby like those racist white men who subscribe to the globalist conspiracy.
If AmeriKKKa didn’t interfere with Venezuela with sanctions, Guyana wouldn’t have the problem with mass refugees fleeing to GT.
Trevor, you’re preaching to the choir. Of course the Haitians are hated because they are Black. The PPP only want Guyana to be a Hindu state. Same goes for the sister countries Suriname and T&T.
Bless up youth.
Gentlemen
Our world is no longer flat !
Let’s move forward.
Guyana will need the skills neccessary
for its development.
It has two options.
Train the skills neccessary or import them.
Most countries use a visa entry system
to enter as “permanent” residents.
Also free entry for members/signatories
of SHENGEN (google FMI).
Sometimes it makes economic sense
to encourage economic migrants who have
certain skills than to train its own.
Economic migrants benefit their host
countries. Guyana has suffered from
a brain haemorrhage for decades.
With the coming of oil this skillls shortages
is exasperated further.
In addition Guyana demographics has
not changed for decades.
780.000 residents with double/treble that
Guyana born living in the diaspora.
It will take strong political leadership to
address the issues Guyana will face in
the next decades. Hope Guyana does not
drift back into its past of racism and discrimination of class as in the past.
Guyanese must remain positive for their
future survival in a world of hate and violence.
World without love is a sick world
A united Guyana is a strong Guyana
Onward and upward guyanese
Off my soap box
Kamtan🇬🇧🇬🇾🇬🇧🇪🇸👽
Oh wait…That Spain flag makes me remember that you’re Portuguese-Guyanese, descendants off an island in the Mediterranean/Africa.
I wonder if the bigots will welcome you as a Portuguese because that almost looks like Venezuelan, depending on how much Mediterranean you have. The more Western European genes and looks you have, the more you are desired by Bharrat Jagdeo and his goons. But the more Mediterranean, the more they will assume you’re Venezuelan or a “Fullahman” and discriminate/exclude you.
I’m a very laid back person and would talk to anyone. I’m a town man. Lots of diverse people in cities. GT is no exception.
Nice one…
My ancestors were taken from
Madeira to BG by the British to
work on plantations. To replace slave
labour with forced labour. Described as
“Indentures” by plantation owners/operators.
Two/three generations later most of them
became shop keepers….rum shop owners
Farmers. My father was taught bookkeeping
by British owners of Enmore estate. His father
family cane cutters/farmers later shop keepers
in GG and Nabaclais.
Left BG as teenager to do military service in
RAF UK…married a spanish senorita and later returned to Guyana where my four children were born. Returned to UK with my family
decade later where my children grew up.
On retirement moved to Spain but children
remained in UK. My children/grandchildren
all have homes in UK/spain/Italy today.
My two sons and a daughter have visited
Guyana GT GG Nabaclais and cove and John cemetery to see where their ancestors
are buried. Like myself they are proud of their
ancestors …that part of their history.
Life goes on
Best forgive not forgotten
Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇪🇸👽
The barefoot Uttar Pradesh and Beharry descendants might look at you as a Venezuelan refugee and accuse of you being part of the ‘influx’ and ‘fallout’ of the Haitians & Venezuelans as one commenter has posted.
I wonder if the British is spreading hate against Haitians and the Uttar Pradesh bigots walking barefoot are absorbing this hate like a sponge. It’s not like if Haitians magically existed from today. They were here for hundreds of years.
Ha ha…the Brits are too pre-occupied
with BREXIT to pay attention to what is happening elsewhere. They have just
woken up to reality that they are not Europeans. German may soon become
the national language of euroland.
Brits once ruled the world, USA
empiral powers followed now its the
Eastern empires to rule the world.
KARMA …wat goes arround comes
arround.
The world spins clockwise East to West
to East again. Sun also rises in east.
Now go figure the north south divide/evolution
Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇪🇸🇬🇧👽.
I could not agree more with Kamtan in his analysis and call for tolerance!
Does Jagdeo even believe in G*d with the way how he and his goons treated us, and it’s documented fact rather than assertions?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Kamtang, read this thread and see how nasty some people have become. This was why I was very suspicions of the intentions of a few here claiming that the Venezuelans and Haitians pose a risk to Guyana, but not the Europeans, Chinese nationals and Indian nationals:
https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/kaiteur-news-important-reporting-on-haitians-transiting-guyana-veers-into-lies-and-suggestive-propaganda?page=3
Bibi Haniffa
BIBI HANIFFAGNI QUEEN
8/3/197:28 AM
Tola posted:
ksazma posted:
As of right now, many Haitians are entering Guyana but only a few leaving. If for some strange shit the PPP becomes the government, we will begin to see those Haitians leaving more than entering. That is because they were given free passage to Guyana and are currently being fed and housed freely. They don’t need to work. However, when there is no more free food and shelter, they would have no other alternative but to request deportation back to Haiti.
How different is this from Jagdeo’s Chinese in Guyana to build hotels and remain, when so many Guyanese are unemployed ?
There is a big difference. The Chinese have investments in Guyana. They provide skills that most Guyanese don’t have. They have a work ethic that is unmatched anywhere in the world. They are peace loving people. The Haitians arrive in Guyana and disappear into people’s homes or hotels waiting for their ID cards and their names to appear on the voter list once House to House registration is completed.
There are reasons why China is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and why Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world.
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Nice one…
What a choice !
Guyana recolonised by BRICS
(Brazil Russia India China South Africa)
trade block…
overcrowded by Venezuelan (Maduro) dissidents….with a few Haitians and WI islanders for bonus.
What a mix
Certainly won’t be visiting until after elections
and the hurricane/earthquake dust has
settled.
Politricks
Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇪🇸👽
Have no time for religious faggots …
Religion opium of church synagogue
temple or mosque.
However the politico/economic decisions
are what matters most. The latter initiated
by the political jackasses we elect.
Simply put de-select them if they are
not serving those who put them there.
Power to the electorate not the elected.
Politicians are public servants not dictators.
In my opinion
Off soap box
Kamtan
TREVOR FOR PRESIDENT!!!! He has all the answers.
Trevor is a radical !
Radicals change the world.
Gets my vote !
Kamtan
I hope you’re not being sarcastic. I was just pointing out an argument that I stole from Freddie how the people who claim that Venezuelans and Haitians don’t belong in this part of South America have families living in the ABC countries, and Guyanese actually smuggle themselves in shipping containers to live in crowded basement apartments in other countries.
“Comments made by Guyanese arm chair critics who do not live in the country and, therefore, are not the ones that would be affected by the fallout, tend to be the most forthcoming with criticisms and so called solutions.”
We, Diaspora Guyanese, send money back home when y’all use to beg for money every month, and now y’all are showing animosity towards Diaspora Guyanese?
God should curse people who hate like that. I wonder if the high tides are a warning from God that Guyanese shouldn’t cast hate and animosity because of perceived wealth.
I had a feeling that Guyanese are starting to absorb the xenophobic sentiment from other countries, but didn’t realize that the Indian-Guyanese rural population is very unwelcome towards anyone who isn’t from their community. It’s amplified if you’re of a different race or talk perceived being not as Indian sounding to them.
It’s appalling what’s going on in Guyana. Oil has made some people use misplaced nationalism as a tool to spread racism and xenophobia just like the former Soviet Union bloc and Donald Trump.
A man from Trinidad claim that the Indian arrivals sided with the British to oppress the freed slaves, so I’m not surprised that the nasty xenophobia which is happening in Poland & Hungary are starting to grow roots in Guyana.
But the xenophobes being intolerant towards the Guyanese Diaspora? This is something new…
I left Guyana 4 years and returned for a visit, when the APNU was elected, and I can tell you based on experience, that you could be an “East Indian”, yet if you dress and talk like an African-American, they still hate on you.
Trevor, you are completely right that the most bigoted & xenophobic people are people who are actually descendants from the gutter and slums of UP.
These uneducated and close-minded Guyanese should know that I’m part-European, part-Hispanic & part-West African, but with North Indian and Dutch-Asian as my main backgrounds, but I never act like how the Indian-Guyanese are behaving towards outsiders today.
Four years, and the villagers from the West Coast and West Bank (Vreedenhoop & Goed Fourtin) were very suspicious of me.
I didn’t get that feeling while walking throiugh G/Town and Stabroek Market. The African-Guyanese, in general, were very friendly.
But the low-class Indian-Guyanese who never even left their villages and backwater areas seem to be very unwelcoming towards anyone who isn’t in their clique.
This racist sentiments on here, Guyana Loop and on Demerara Waves concerns me a lot.
It does appear that Guyana is becoming the Poland of the Americas where outsiders are viewed in the same context as how Poland views international students from Africa. Racist!
Interesting opinion
Let me try enlighten on the issue of
race/class.
UK’s Royalty are an eye opener for those
who suffer from superiority/inferiority complexities….as per DNA/blood line.
European royals inter married (arranged
marriages) in order to remain Royalty.
Most ancestral royals were executed
in various rebellions/revolutions. UK one
of few whose Royals remained head of
state. (Regal ruler)
More recently in the Victorian era the
practice of intermarriage continued
(first cousins arranged marriages to
continue its royal bloodline)
HRH QE2 has two cousins who are
institutional imberciles.
Direct result of interbreeding.
Googlle imberciles
It is a scientific fact that mixed blood/marriages
produce healthier/brighter siblings.
Eg my ancestors are of mixed blood
(Moorish/Portuguese/Jew) my
wife also (spanish/English/Italian)ancestry.
My four children are so different that I sometimes questioned my wife of her
infidelities…a simple DNA test have
removed all doubts about father/motherhood.
Three of my four have fantastic memories
(Sponge brains) as per IQ testing.
Remain convinced that mixed blood/DNA
produces better offsprings.
Way forward for Guyana and ROW (rest of world)
Darwin re-written
Survival of the most adaptable/complex of
the species
Says simple Simon
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They probably looked down on you as someone from Venezuela, or a ghetto youth trying to “take the oil away” from them…Ignorant people will always remain ignorant.
I’m not Venezuelan Trevor. Why would Guyanese treat me like an outsider and a refugee?
But if that is how Guyanese view me after migrating to study after four years, I might as well stay where I’m at and let those inhospitable Guyanese enjoy their 2%.
I didn’t visit Guyana to rig elections or take away people’s jobs, which is ironic because as you’ve mentioned thousands of Guyanese go to Uncle Sam to work illegally and take away the jobs from the locals.
Kamtanblog I did a DNA test and have discovered that I have Portuguese ancestors who are still alive in Portugal.
I’m not sure with the Jewish part, but by the way I am being mistreated both in North America and with my visit in Guyana (being suspiciously viewed as a Venezuelan refugee), I can stand in solidarity with the Jewish plight….
I guess that I’m a Jew then, because I don’t feel welcome in North America, and Guyanese are not that welcoming of anyone who looks like a Venezuelan refugee.
Shame on the xenophobes in Guyana for treating overseas-based Guyanese as Venezuelan refugees!
Which political party is behind this intolerant bigotry? It surely isn’t the Amerindian Party or the APNU coalition.
The government agencies were very nice to me, and they didn’t treat me with contempt, though they would have grievances from the past government.
I wish to thank those Guyanese for treating me like a human being and a Guyanese, rather than a Venezuelan refugee.
I am going through so much pain here because of anti-immigrant racism in North America, and the Guyanese are emulating this against me, someone who came to study abroad.
Where do I belong?
It probably has to do with the proverb “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
Did you know that Jagdeo’s mouthpiece the ‘Guyana Times’ wrote a racist article against Haitian tourists (a “call to genocide” according to a critic) which sounded almost similar to how Trump viewed Mexican migrants, or as Dr. Allysa Trotz had written “echoed the speeches from Nazi Germany”?
Jagdeo is not going to end up in power again, and this is why his supporters are acting biased against anyone who isn’t a Jagdeo supporter.
They are, in fact, racist, ignorant and uncivil just like the racists who preach violence from their unknown villages in Siberia.
Keep yuh head up. This world does appear to become more hateful though the ones preaching hate had benefited from “the globalists” more than anyone else.
You’re not alone!
Brazilian students who attend the upper class School of the Nations are also feeling the animosity and anti-Venezuelan slurs.
One was even accused of being given monies by the government to study at School of the Nations!
Brazilians have been living in GT for decades in the Charlotte St/South Road, and Camp St/Regent area.
They are also feeling the heat. They are being lumped together with the Venezuelans.
It’s sad what Guyana has become. Racial tensions are increasing.
Linda and Wally are also helping to fuel the fire and stoke the flames against Latinos, Haitians and everyone else, but the Uttar Pradesh people from Jagdeo’s mansion.
US Military Surrounding Venezuela With New Deployment In Guyana
Tyler Duren | ZeroHedge
The US military has effectively surrounded Venezuela, ahead of a possible military intervention.
We’ve reported in the past that the Pentagon is jointly working with Colombia, Brazil and other regional partners on how to crush Venezuela’s economy so that President Nicolás Maduro would step down.
Now there is a new report that the US military has been deployed to the impoverished South American nation of Guyana, the first time in a decade.
The country is located on South America’s North Atlantic coast and borders Venezuela to the West.
The Air Force hopes relationships with the country can firmly develop amid the increasing influence of Russia and China in the region.
“Guyana is going to become a larger player in this region, both economically and politically in the future, so it’s important that we are closely tied with them,” said 12th Air Force Commander Maj. Gen. Andrew Croft in an interview.
“What we leave is an enduring, physical presence in addition to the partnerships that we build,” Croft boasted, citing medical facilities and schools built in 1997 that are still being used today.
The latest deployment is about 600 US military service members. Their purpose, as per Military.com, will be to construct community centers and a women’s shelter.
“Guyana sits in a strategic location on the north edge of South America and on the Caribbean,” the US commander further highlighted. “That’s what makes it important. Also, as political change happens in the nation and they become more aligned with us, it’s important for us to make those personal relationships not only through the embassy, but also through the military and the Guyana Defense Force, which is currently about 3,000 strong with the intent to nearly double it in the upcoming years.”
Croft said the deployment, carefully planned under US Southern Command, can act as an “insurance policy” if regional conflicts break out.
“It builds a foundation for the future so that we’re not stuck in a situation that we’re in the Middle East, where we’re actually doing full-up combat operations,” he added. “The more we can help them build rule of law, education and services functions, the more we can then help them build the foundation of a workforce.”
Croft warned about the growing presence of China and Russia in South America, noting that Guyana communication networks use Huawei.
He also said local bauxite mines, mostly mining for aluminum, could be under new control as both Russia and China have heavily invested into these operations within the country.
With Guyana secured, the US military has effectively surrounded Venezuela with personnel building up in Colombia and Brazil; both countries border Venezuela.
The groundwork for a military intervention is being set; it’s only a matter of time before an invasion could be seen.
Oh great!
Now the Amerindian-Guyanese are going to be lumped together with the millions of Venezuelans fleeing military unrest on the already destabilized country…smh…
There is no permeant US troop deployment to Guyana. It was a exercise and humanitarian mission, which had taken place for the third time since 2004. You can read the detail below. The US troops left on August 22, 2019. Hence, there is no basis for conspiracy theories implicating an US invasion of Venezuela from Guyanese soil. Russian trolls have been trying to spin the story of an imminent US invasion of Venezuela. Fake news!
Here are the hard facts:
New Horizons Training Exercise Guyana 2019
U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen. Andrew Croft, Twelfth Air Force (Air Forces Southern) commander, speaks at the New Horizons exercise 2019 closing ceremony in Linden, Guyana, Aug. 22, 2019. The New Horizons exercise 2019 provided U.S. military members an opportunity to train for an overseas deployment and the logistical requirements it entails. The exercise promoted bilateral cooperation by providing opportunities for U.S. and partner nation military engineers, medical personnel and support staff to work and train side by side.
https://www.afcec.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2002175303/
Since the start of the exercise in May, the New Horizons team built three community centers and a women’s shelter, as well as participated in several medical outreach events in the local communities.
“In this exercise in Guyana, we have accomplished way more than we set out to do,” said U.S. Air Force Col. Kenneth Bratland, 346th Air Expeditionary Group commander. “Many of the reasons are, we just ended up with some great [service members] who were really motivated and worked really hard. We exceeded every single measure that we expected to get.”
A few of the milestones that the New Horizons team had set at the beginning of the exercise were surpassed by large numbers like patient encounters and building timelines.
“We operated on way more patients that we expected,” said Bratland. “We did more eye surgeries than we planned on doing. We did more women’s health surgeries than we had planned. We saw thousands of more patients at the [medical readiness training exercise] and with the buildings and construction efforts, we were able to complete them ahead of schedule.”
During the two months of medical outreach events, there were a total of 13,446 total patient encounters, which included animal treatments and vaccinations.
For the construction sites, the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Army engineers completed the four buildings three weeks ahead of schedule.
New Horizons exercise is not new to Guyana. In the last 20 years, U.S. service members have participated in the exercise under U.S. Southern Command and 12th Air Force (Air Forces Southern Command), three times. The structures completed during previous iterations are still being used today.
“This is our third time being here. We were here in 2004, 2009 and 2019,” said Bratland. “The people here are familiar with New Horizons, they appreciate what we do, appreciate what we bring and they’re still using the facilities that we built a long time ago, so people see those and generations to come will see the buildings we built on this one and that makes me very proud.”
There is not permeant deployment of US troops to Guyana. The US troops were primarily there for an humanitarian mission, similar to those in 2004 and 2009 (see details below). Hence, all of Clyde’s speculations are rubbish. They are actually spread by Russian trolls. I am however by no means implicating the Clyde is a Russian troll. However, with a little research he would have noticed that his thesis is not founded on verifiable facts. I would have been very surprised, if the Guyanese government would have agreed to a permeant deployment of US troops to Guyana in absence of an imminent military threat from Venezuela.
Here are the actual facts:
U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen. Andrew Croft, Twelfth Air Force (Air Forces Southern) commander, speaks at the New Horizons exercise 2019 closing ceremony in Linden, Guyana, Aug. 22, 2019. The New Horizons exercise 2019 provided U.S. military members an opportunity to train for an overseas deployment and the logistical requirements it entails. The exercise promoted bilateral cooperation by providing opportunities for U.S. and partner nation military engineers, medical personnel and support staff to work and train side by side.
https://www.afcec.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2002175303/
Since the start of the exercise in May, the New Horizons team built three community centers and a women’s shelter, as well as participated in several medical outreach events in the local communities.
During the two months of medical outreach events, there were a total of 13,446 total patient encounters, which included animal treatments and vaccinations.
For the construction sites, the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Army engineers completed the four buildings three weeks ahead of schedule.
New Horizons exercise is not new to Guyana. In the last 20 years, U.S. service members have participated in the exercise under U.S. Southern Command and 12th Air Force (Air Forces Southern Command), three times. The structures completed during previous iterations are still being used today.
“This is our third time being here. We were here in 2004, 2009 and 2019,” said Bratland. “The people here are familiar with New Horizons, they appreciate what we do, appreciate what we bring and they’re still using the facilities that we built a long time ago, so people see those and generations to come will see the buildings we built on this one and that makes me very proud.”
https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ARTICLES/Article/1946152/exercise-new-horizons-2019-concludes-in-guyana/
This fearmongering regarding Venezuelans or the Haitians has to stop. These forms of hate usually end up in racist violence and ethnic cleansing of people who are being used as scapegoats.
One poster has eloquently stated that the same people here who are against Venezuelans or Haitians are living in countries which have welcomed them because of Venezuelans and Haitians.
The people who are using this dog-whistle to incite hatred against identifiable groups wouldn’t be posting this if the Venezuelans landed in Guyana with millions of dollars to purchase the properties that they inherited from the blood, sweat and tears of the slaves and indentured laborers.
It comes as a surprise to me that Guyanese are offering their one-story houses with lack of running water for a higher price than a similar-sized house in Florida.
Houses in housing schemes across Region 3 and 4, are being sold for the price of $150,000 in American currency if you factor the exchange rate. Diamond Housing scheme has houses being sold to foreign businessmen for a million US dollars.
There is a classist discrimination that is amplified with the racist hatred against mainly the Haitians, and the non-White Venezuelans.
Nobody has the same enmity towards the global money launderers offering to pay US$100,000 for a broken down house in Parika, or for $500,000 for a one-storey brick house in Diamond housing scheme.
Clyde Duncan,
Zero Hedge is a right-wing website which pushes racist propaganda & is pushing for a clash of civilisations against the Muslim world in the Middle East.
And the article is over a month old and it’s not happening today.
I wonder if Jasmin, Wally and Clyde Duncan are Guyanese, or are they White racists who want to turn Guyana into a tropical paradise (in other words a country where there’s less of us, and more of them)?
Similar types of right-wing thinking were being used to justify exterminating Indigenous Amerindians in Ecuador because the White Baby Boomers in America wanted to find their tropical paradise in Ecuador.
“Rohan • 4 months ago
Sister, I feel your outrage. When I read what you describe as that cowardly piece, I immediately reflected that for more than 4 decades AND COUNTING we Guyanese have been seeking refuge in other shores. You can find Guyanese everywhere, from Nickerie next door to Sri Lanka on the other side of the world to the Arctic on top of the world. In NY and Toronto, there is a steady stream of Guyanese going and staying, both legally and illegally. Guyanese live like sardines in basement flats and endure all sorts of hardships in search of a better life – yet this is how we treat and speak about others who come here seeking the same betterment? Have we forgotten our mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins etc living in ‘foreign’ and whose gifts have made lives livable for us over the past 4 decades? As you rightly say, this article is the worst kind of xenophobia comparable to what the likes of Donald Trump are saying. As an Indo Guyanese man, I utterly reject those sentiments.
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An Indo-Guyanese response of apology for the hate towards Haitians.
Jagdeo newspaper wrote a racist article calling for the genocide of Haitians, and this was the response of a Guyanese LIVING IN GUYANA.
Jasmin, what do you have to say about this? Why are you encouraging Guyanese to adopt genocidal racism against Venezuelans and Haitians?
Who is pressuring Guyanese to exterminate Venezuelans and Haitians? Why this sudden urge from racists?
What do you want us, Guyanese to do? Storm into the sheds where the Venezuelans are sleeping and exterminate them like the racists in Europe would do?
Definitions
Economic migrant
Refugees
Asylum seekers
One must differentiate the above in order
to understand what is happening in Essequibo
borders with Venezuela. Those entering Guyana are one of the above or all three.
Of course mixed into those will be criminals
Guns drugs and people traffickers.
One can but hope that the latter are in
the minority.
Most people are good with good intentions
Few are evil with bad intentions.
It is a fact that economic migrants usually
benefit their host/adopted nation state.
The Guyana authorities will need help and
support of the UN to cope with the influx
of these new arrivals. The Haitians are
legal as Haiti is a member of CARICOM…
so is Guyana. They can be classified as
economic migrants.
However the Venezuelans could be
classified as any of the three above or
all three.
Go google
Economic migrant
Refugee
Asylum seeker
My take
Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇬🇧🇪🇸👽
I get treated as if I’m a Syrian refugee or Mexican (if I’m in Florida), but Guyanese, people who ask relatives for remittances are becoming unwelcoming to overseas-based Guyanese?
Venezuelans being lumped together with illegal migrants? School of Nations Brazilians being lumped together with Venezuelan refugees?
What the gangasacka is wrong with Guyanese? They think they are White Nationalists now?
Prejudices and discrimination are weapons that the political jackasses use to win votes
and influence voters. Nationalism another.
Extremism is ever present in society today.
Better identified as such !
Best avoided.
Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇬🇧🇪🇸🇬🇧👽
I don’t see any instance of Minister Lawrence using divisive politics in her radio interview. Her complaint is that the government doesn’t have the money to resettle the refugees. There is no form of hostility.
Or do you mean that Bharrat Jagdeo is stoking the flames of racism to get votes for his party?
Farouk, even the Islanders are being treated unwelcomely by the people you allege were unwelcome to you. No surprise. I guess these Islanders are Venezuelan and Haitian migrants who are causing a “fallout with the locals”:
Racism and Bad Customer Service
Review of Pegasus Hotel Guyana
Reviewed October 13, 2018
The room was very nice and comfortable and the food was good. However, the restaurant staff was racist. When my mom and I went for dinner it took one hour before the waitress greeted us. She passed us up and down and stared us in our faces without a smile or even a hello. She also served the Indian people who came before us and after us with smiles. When they were finished eating then she came to us and asked if she can help with a sulky face. The chicken tasted like it was fried in fish oil by the way.However, the breakfast staff and the front desk staff were nice.Show less
Date of stay: November 2017
Trip type: Traveled with family
Tourists are not economic migrants,
refugees or political asylumees.
It is simple …, holiday elsewhere.
Avoid GT…or that venue.
…
But it’s as if certain Guyanese don’t want anyone come to their country, because they want the oil for themselves?
Why are Guyanese getting selfish and racist?
Maybe Exxon should have never discovered that oil.
Advice Alert…..try this…save the hundred USD (shirt) in small bills…share it lavishly…these people in the service industry struggling to survive….tip them well and enjoy a whole new world and…. cash wins every time, you might even cause a small crack in the wall of racism…….BTW this discussion has hit the bottom of the rabbit hole give it a rest
I noticed the same sullen expressions and passive-aggressive gestures when I was in Guyana a year before that review.
It was like they were unhappy to see me, though I never asked them for anything, and I had money to spend there. They definitely viewed me as some sort of problem.
But the illiterate and bigoted waitress tried to make the Caribbean tourist feel like a refugee and a burden while staying at the US$150 a night Pegasus hotel?
This points to a disturbing trend in Guyana where certain races, regardless of socio-economic status, are lumped together with Venezuelan and Haitian refugees.
The Indo-Guyanese racists are incapable of doing mass murder hate crimes, but they sure are adopting psychological warfare against those they perceive to be an enemy to their political cause.
Sheer contempt for Haitians and even the Grenadine man wonder why.
Are people that hostile against them?
Linda there are also refugees fleeing to Canada 🇨🇦.
It’s not like Guyana is a special place where they want to take away anything.
It’s like the Alt Right fascist groups who blame socialism for Venezuela collapsing yet they retire in Costa Rica and 🇵🇦.
They get so greedy that they think the middle class Caribbean tourist is a Haitian refugee and the waitress treat the tourist like crap because she think the tourist is a refugee.
One day that oil money is going to run dry, and the same waitress is going to ship herself inside a container and smuggle herself to the USA.
It is time that Guyanese living overseas re-consider their relations with their friends & relatives in Guyana.
If they want you to keep sending money every month, but they discourage you from resettling or setting permanent ties, cease the remittances.
This is especially if they speak ill towards Haitians and have xenophobic viewpoints.
How can you work in these White man countries, face discrimination and racism while struggling to survive, only to get eye pass and they don’t want you in Guyana?
Linda and others have already made it clear: We are just “arm chair Guyanese” who haven’t experienced the “influx” of refugees in North America, because you’re right Mr. Fieldman.
Guyana is the special place where Venezuelans and Haitians are magically going to Guyana as if it’s the only country in the world that has a refugee crisis.
I’ve shown the reviews and this thread to friends who live in USA and Canada. They have lamented that “people are gonna fight up for de oil”, but they have a gut feeling that Jagdeo and his Indo-supremacists are the first to have vilified the Haitians, who had nothing to do with past political issues.
This was the first warning sign.
Secondly, Afro-Caribbean women are being treated unfairly by mainly Jagdeo’s people, such as the Antiguan woman who experienced racist microaggressions from the Uttar Pradesh waiter.
Thirdly, as some have lamented here, they don’t feel welcome and the villagers from the rural communities are viewing them with hostility, similar to the Venezuelans and Haitians.
If Jagdeo and his Uttar Pradesh people get into power, they might get involved in ethnic genocide, and they might discriminate worse than what they did to us when they were in power from 1992 to 2015.
Even a critic or foreign agent can forsee that Jagdeo’s people forsee a Guyana where they live like Arabians. I was against this term from the start.
Arabians are racist, they murder Africans and they rape Indian and Pakistani women who work as caregivers and nannies.
Arabs and Jagdeo have the same illiterate and uncivilised mentality, but his Uttar Pradesh barefoot and illiterate slum dwellers are not going to exterminate me without a fight.
Who is the dictator? It’s Jagdeo’s Uttar Pradesh people.
They came from the gutters of India, and they are acting nasty towards anyone who is considered a Haitian, even the educated Antigua woman staying at Uttar Pradesh Badal’s Hotel Tower.
Wally you want to close borders? Why don’t you return to Uttar Pradesh and sleep with the gutter rats?
This is a greatly written article by an ” arm-chair Guyanese” Dr. Trotz.
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2019/08/12/features/in-the-diaspora/on-xenophobia-haiti-and-the-guyana-times/
She works as a leader in a social studies faculty at the top university in Canada. Her doctorate specialised in social issues, especially racial discrimination issues and female gender issues. She has a doctorate in a social field.
But the barefoot and uneducated wannabe Arabian whose ancestors lived in a gutter at the eyesores of India would still refute her claims, and think they know it all despite knowing nothing but wanting to take control of the oil resources for themselves.
On Xenophobia, Haiti and the Guyana Times
By Stabroek News August 12, 2019
By D. Alissa Trotz
D. Alissa Trotz is editor of the
In the Diaspora Column
A little over a week ago, Guyanese woke up to what can only be described as a racist and xenophobic attack on Haitians in the Guyana Times newspaper. Titled “Influx of Haitians into Guyana raises major health concerns,” the article offers a classic example of racial profiling. Indeed a subtitle for this cowardly piece of journalism could have been: “Disease ridden Black people flooding our shores.” The article was written under the guise of thoughtfully addressing the issue of the arrival and treatment of Haitians in Guyana – certainly a legitimate question – whose numbers have increased following the institution of the Caricom recommendation of a six month visa on entry to Haitians.
Trevor is it true that the Amerindian People’s Association begged the government to be protected from anti-Venezuelan discrimination, because as you have argued, most of the Venezuelans coming to Guyana are Amerindians?
What sort of lawlessness is going on in Guyana that the bottom house Indian-Guyanese are treating everyone who is different than them as refugees?
Do you know how disrespectful it is for me to be treated as a refugee by the Indian-Guyanese who wore flip flops and dress like they have no class, while I wore $100 shirts and $200 shoes?
Indian-Guyanese and the racist Neo-Nazis in Hungary are no different!
@ Faruk: I have to ask the organisation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they are lumped together as refugee.
Are people from Canada and America reading this thread? Someone from Canada wrote a letter pleading not to mistreat “illegal Guyanese”:
Robert my friend, the same Guyanese who mistreat the Haitians and Dominicans are the same Guyanese who would fit themselves nicely into a medium sized ice cooler and smuggle themselves to work under the table in NYC.
I used to think that only those un-educated people who never left their boring communities in Siberian countries like Poland, Ukaine and Russia would be xenophobic towards outsiders.
However, I guess that the Indian-Guyanese believe that they are the “Aryans” that their Hindu book has told them of, though UP and Bihar are viewed very negatively by people from India.
I’m not returning to Guyana for a visit if I’m going to be treated as a refugee by the employees at Pegasus. They are not the only ones who are treating Blacks and certain Brown people (Venezuelans and Amerindians) as refugees.
Farouk I hope that you read my comment before it was removed due to complaints from certain people.
It isn’t illegal to show the truth of who those bigoted people really are, and where they came from, and how they are today.
Afro-Caribbean tourists aren’t the only ones being treated as subhumans by Jagdeo’s people!
Even Afro-Guyanese who were born and raised here are being lumped together with the Haitians under a conspiracy to rig elections!
If Forbes Burnham was actually a racist or was biased against Indian-Guyanese, he would have sent them packing to Uttar Pradesh and India would refuse to keep them!
Look at what hapens when you bring in scum and gutter rats and they discover oil! They want to become Arabs!
Barefoot rum drinking man who beat his wife want to become the Sultan of the Caribbean sea, like the thousands of other rum shop dwellers.
Who do these people think they are?
We have one Russian lap dog as Potus
(Ras-Putin) stooge ! May soon have another
in UK Bojo certainly don’t want another
in our beautiful Guyana ….land of many
races/classes.
God bless Guyana and save it from
the evil oligarchs of the planet.
BRICS wish to rule the world.
So did Hitler !
History repeats itself ….
We must forgive
Never forget
Perils of dementia (premature)
Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇪🇸🇬🇧👽
Farouk, before you start worrying about what the uneducated and barefoot rum shop tenant thinks of you, Freddie has some advice:
I wonder if he is reading this thread because he pointed out a hypocrisy of Guyana importing lots of foreign items, yet some Guyanese are ‘nationalist’.
Was Dr. Freddie Kissoon treated like a refugee or what?
The oil money didn’t even come yet, and the same Guyanese who beg my friends in NYC to give them shelter during the winter are the same ones who are playing greedy and emulating Polish nationalist.
The word “nationalist” is like a cancer. It does no good. Demonizing immigrants, Haitians and Black people as refugees is not “nationalism”.
If those Guyanese dislike foreigners and Black people, then yes, Trevor you’re right. What are Guyanese doing here in NYC living in Harlem and Queens?
Funny thing is that the Indian Americans and Guyanese don’t complain that rental prices are deliberately being jacked up to weed out the “undesirable races” as one landlord was telling White American applicants at a Brooklyn apartment.
Trevor thank you and thank the rest of Guyanese who treated me like a human being at Stabroek Market and in certain areas of GT while I visited Guyana in early 2017.
The Polish and American white nationalists are harassing people like me, the Mexicans and African-Americans on the street, and bigoted Guyanese in Guyana, and those who post Trump speeches on this forum, have made me feel like I should rot 6 feet under and die silently. It’s appalling that oil has transformed some Guyanese into bigots.
For days, I watched the attacks on India, Indians and Indo-Guyanese and Hindus. I will now make the only response.
First, since Dr. Trotz is billed as editor of the Diaspora column I wonder if her interest doesn’t extend to areas like this diasporan blog where the “xenophobic”, blatant “racist”, “racial profling” anti-India/Indian/Indo-Guyanese/Hindu attacks are profuse as exhibited by the Foster, Trevor and Farouk characters. Here is a sample from Trevor:
“Arabians and Jagdeo have the same illiterate and uncivilised mentality, but his Uttar Pradesh barefoot and illiterate slum dwellers…Who is the dictator? It’s Jagdeo’s Uttar Pradesh people….They came from the gutters of India,….”. “Look at what happens [sic] when you bring in [Indian] scum and gutter rats and they discover oil! They want to become Arabs!”
Next, unlike the Antiguan woman supposedly snubbed by the “Uttar Padesh waiter” I can cite many examples of “microaggressions” and open disdain towards me by African/Black Guyanese. Here is just one.
In the Burnham 80’s while on a visit to Guyana I called up Gy Telecoms and asked very politely – “Miss could you please connect me to (phone number) in Canada” – the Black operator (know this from her manner and voice) told me there were no lines available. About half-hour later I tried again and was told by said operator “no line available”. My coloured brother-in-law (married two sisters) took the phone from me and called back with: “Hello Love…” and continued with lots of ‘sweet and jive talk’. He immediately succeeded in getting a line. She obviously recognized his non-Indian approach and so bestowed a phone line to him but not to me.
So what the Antiguan woman supposedly encountered I, and Indian Guyanese man, met the same results from an African Guyanese woman.
On Nov 30, Trevor refers to Indo-Guyanese as “Barefoot rum drinking man who beat his wife want to become the Sultan of the Caribbean sea, like the thousands of other rum shop dwellers.”
So, who are the WORST ‘WIFE-BEATERS’ IN THE WORLD. THE WORLD ATLAS LISTS TEN (10) AFRICAN NATIONS AT THE VERY TOP, and they were NOT blinded by rum but were rational. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/20-worst-countries-for-spousal-abuse.html
Of interest, in an article written by a Black woman, Vivian Achieng, among countries where it is legal to beat one’s wife, Burkina Faso is at top of 15 with the Congo at #4 and surprise, Haiti is #2. https://www.theclever.com/15-countries-where-domestic-violence-is-legal/
Even, Duchess Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, on a recent visit to South Africa spoke at a rally against violence against women, where it is becoming edemic.
Now we come to the “Bottom House” issue . According to the character Farouk S. “What sort of lawlessness is going on in Guyana that the bottom house Indian-Guyanese are treating everyone who is different than them as refugees?”
Interestingly, this Farouk, who supposedly is only a visitor to Guyana, knows of the “bottom house” which racist Blacks, such as UWI Professor, Kean Gibson” use to demean Indians; and where hate for Blacks is said to be fostered. Is he really a visitor or someone posing as one so at to claim he met with Indian racism even as a temporary resident? No transit visitor would know of this (and I bet very few reading here would know of its significance) except if well-indoctrinated about this significance. Let me tell you about what Indians do with their bottom houses. They use the bottom house as living space, most with hammocks, and fireplaces, etc, the way richer non-Indians use a bottom-flat. It is this frugality which helps Indians to live on little wages from field work, and do well; and who are now envied for being well-off. As well, the Indians keep it very clean as they do their homes and yards.
Compare in estates or villages where Indians and African Guyanese live and you will notice (as visitors have noted) Indian spaces are well kept but the comparable African areas are often dilapidated, For example compare (Black) Bachelor’s Adventure and (Indian) Enmore and you see will the extremes.
In my Enmore home, my bottom-house was used for my father for teaching Hindi night school. As well, a section was used on occasions to give lodgings pro bono to a Black partly invalid man, known as Gallon (because he was a large man with a large appetite for food, to match). Gallon had a shriveled left arm and had a limp, likely congenital, and when he could have, did odd jobs – mainly fetching bulk rice and flower bags from the local train/’luggage’ to the grocery stores in Enmore (not usually more than 100 yards/metres away) – to get a little money for indulgences. But, at all times he lived, NOT among the Black residents of Enmore, but among the Indians. The Indians took care of him, with food and lodgings in their bottom houses. At Indian weddings, which go for several days, Gallon will always be there all the time because there was always lots of food; and he would sleep in a corner under the wedding tent or bottom house. Incidentally, at Indian weddings, in my day, all and sundry are invited and fed!
So, when you and other racist Blacks mock the Indian ‘bottom house’ you/they are mocking an institution which Indian use to uplift themselves; as well as to give vagrants such as Black Gallon a place to call home which the Black quarter would not tolerate.
Re Genocide.
Trevor: “If Jagdeo and his Uttar Pradesh people get into power, they might get involved in ethnic genocide,…”
• The Dean of Indian History, Australian, Prof A. L. Basham, states in his classic textbook ‘The Wonder that was India’ “Yet our overall impression is that in no part of the ancient world were the relations of man to man, and of man and the state, so fair and humane. In no other early civilization were slaves so few in number, and no other ancient law book are their rights so well protected as in the Arthasastra. No other ancient lawgiver proclaimed such noble ideals of fair play in battle as did Manu. In all her history of warfare Hindu India has few tales to tell of cities put to the sword or of the massacre of non-combatants….To us the most striking feature of ancient Indian civilization is its humanity.”
On the opposite, the only known “genocide” (ethnic cleansing) ever committed in Guyana was by Blacks against Indians in 1964 at Wismar. Indians were killed, their women and young daughters mercilessly gang-raped; and to compound the ignominy, their privates were rammed with bottles, rocks and whatever could be found on the river banks. All the while, the armed police and Volunteer Force members looked on at the spectacle.
Then to rub salt in the Indo-Guyanese wounds, Burnham and the PNC (major party in Guyana Gov’t today) codified the said genocide on Indian as Guyana’s independence day, May 26. Who then are more likely to be genocidal in Guyana? In fact, as I reveal in my current book – A Mauling of Indians – African Guyanese needed no reason to begin attacking Indians, including rape of Indian women, at the very, very earliest encounter with the indentured Indians.
Re Aryan.
Farouk S.: “However, I guess that the Indian-Guyanese believe that they are the “Aryans” that their Hindu book has told them of…”
Here again, this Farouk character thinks he can fool people about his real identity. He can only know of the “Aryan” issue if he has been hanging around and accepted indoctrination about this falsehood from Black racists in Guyana.
For the sake of his and his mentors’ education, NOWHERE in the Hindu texts is the word “Aryan” mentioned. This is a word concocted by the Germans cum British who wanted to tap into Indian intellectual greatness; and thus devised a myth that a race of people called Aryans invaded (later changed to migrated into) India and became the authors of Sanskrit and the superb Hindu philosophical texts. Even so, Sanskrit, the language of these texts, has NO such word as Aryan! But there is a word called ARYA (no ‘n”) which means people with NOBLE, beliefs, intentions, morals and behaviour – the same kind of people Prof Basham spoke of above.
VedaNM
Neglected to mention more on Farouk S. post, where he laments:
“What sort of lawlessness is going on in Guyana that the bottom house Indian-Guyanese are treating everyone who is different than them as refugees?
Do you know how disrespectful it is for me to be treated as a refugee by the Indian-Guyanese who wore flip flops and dress like they have no class, while I wore $100 shirts and $200 shoes?”
We country Indians are not so hung up on “$100 [US$] shirts and $200 shoes”, aside from earning low wages in the sugar industry (now combined with the Granger gov’t permanent layoff of thousands of sugar workers as Granger closed down sugar estates). It is this frugality and living in “bottom-houses” why Indo-Guyanese look more prosperous. We live within our means so we don’t have to ‘choke and rob’ nor be ‘kick-down-the door bandits’ preying on other poor Indo-Guyanese.
Compare: Ugandan poor black families, in humble dwellings (like the Indian Guyanese) where their girls are being treated less than human – “like slaves” in Kenya. One of numerous cases of Black on Black slavery.
“The hidden lives of ‘housegirls’ in Kenya
In Uganda, young women are leaving their homes to try and find jobs as domestic workers, but for some their new lives can lead to mistreatment and abuse.
A charity in Kenya is calling for the introduction of laws to protect domestic workers, commonly referred to as housegirls, to ensure their safety.
For BBC Africa Eye, reporter Nancy Kacungira has been investigating why young women living near Uganda’s border are leaving their villages to find work in Kenya.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-48308502/the-hidden-lives-of-housegirls-in-kenya
Also, google Harvard prof Henry Louis Gates on this for his extensive research on Black on Black slavery leading to slavery in the Americas)
Then just this morning news:
Gunmen massacre 14 Christians during Protestant service in Burkina Faso
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/gunmen-massacre-14-christians-during-protestant-service-in-burkina-faso/2019/12/02/f07d218e-14e1-11ea-80d6-d0ca7007273f_story.html
See who are more hateful of others and more likely to commit Genocide (if you didn’t already know of Rwanada)?
VedaNM
You just dissed a mixed-race “Indo-Guyanese” international student studying in one of dem ABC countries.
This is the only fact with your comment:
“Mr S Gee
9 months ago (edited)
We were taken as indentured servants from India , Bihar , Uttar Pradesh & Madras by the British in the 19th century but we don’t like to identify with India because we are Indo Caribbean, Indo Guyanese & Indo Trinidadian”
Forgot to include this as well.
Martin Luther King visited India; Mandela cited Bhagavad Gita
Trevor, on several posts wanted to know why Indo-Guyanese are in New York ‘a predominantly African-American city’ and why they are in America at all when his Black kin fought for equality there.
Well, he clearly doesn’t know that Martin Luther King and wife visited India for several weeks in 1959. Here are some quotes he and his kith, Prof Kean Gibson, et al, should become familiar with:
• From the early days of the Montgomery bus boycott, Martin Luther King, Jr., referred to India’s Mahatma Gandhi as “the guiding light of our technique of nonviolent social change” (Papers 5:231)…. “India is the land where the techniques of nonviolent social change were developed that my people have used in Montgomery, Alabama and elsewhere throughout the American South” (Press Conference 02.10).
• King told a group of reporters gathered at the airport, “To other countries I may go as a tourist, but to India I come as a pilgrim” (Papers 5:126)
• According to Coretta Scott King, he compared the sessions with the founders of independent India to “meeting George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison in a single day” (My Life With Martin Luther King, Jr.).
You can read the rest here. https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/india-trip
Secondly, little known is that the South African freedom fighter, Nelson Mandela, was very acquainted with Lord Krishna’s Bhagavad Gita so much so that one of the Indians who was imprisoned with him (forgot his name) said that Mandela even corrected him, his cell mate, on a verse that the cell mate cited.
So, the equality actions used by these two world-renowned African icons were premised on “Beharry and Uttar Pradesh…gutter rats” Indian Dharma.
VedaNM.
Veda I can’t post here.
I don’t have any further comments with regards to this article. Thank you!
When America gets a cold, Guyana catches a sneeze does it? Look at these racist bickering.
There are more Venezuelans in Region 3 and 4 today.
Yep !
MAD-Uro is willfully colonising Essequibo
disputed territory with his political dissidents.
Castro emptied his jails of dissidents with his
Clinton USA visa deal.
History teaches fools…
Fools forget !
Will spanish or English be language of Eseq
? Miami is now a spanish state !
Saludos
Kamtan
I don’t believe Maduro is sending people to invade Essequibo. The American sanctions are forcing them to leave. It doesn’t help that the Venezuelans are aware of the massive oil potential of the offshore blocks. They are taught this in their schools.
Interesting point !
Why does Maduro gestapo not stop them.?
Some are guyanese who have lived in Venezuela for decades.
Grass always seem greener elsewhere…
there will always be economic migrants/asylum seekers/refugees !
Our world 🌍 we created by our selfish
greed and averice ! The one after Adam
and Eve “fairy tale” one.
Off my soap box
Kamtan uk-ex-EU