Guyana Politics: Mr. Jagdeo eyes pass African-Guyanese – By Dr. David Hinds 

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  • brandli62  On January 16, 2020 at 4:47 am

    “The PPP has rejected overtures from the African-Guyanese political leadership in and out of the PNC for a power sharing government. The Indian PPP leadership has made clear that it does not want to share power with African-Guyanese—it was for African-Guyanese to accept the domination of the Indian-Guyanese-led PPP.”

    It is just sad and depressing to read that in a nation of less than 800’000 people there is not the political will for reconciliation that leaves racial divisions behind as a dark legacy of the 20th century. I believe that Guyana needs a bottom-up movement that puts people first and condemns race-driven policies. Given the projected oil revenues in the coming years, there should be sufficient resources to provide services, infrastructure, and educational benefits for the broad population across all races.

    Once marriages across races become the common place, you know that race is not longer an issue. I am speaking as Guyanese and Swiss citizen of mixed race with roots in Guyana, Barbados, Suriname, Portugal, and Switzerland.

    • kamtanblog  On January 16, 2020 at 6:26 am

      There will always be “opportunistic” politicians
      …some use race,class,nationalistic aka patriotic fervour to divide and rule the masses
      who then elect jackasses to rule them.
      Allow donkies to vote they will elect jackasses.
      Racism and corruption are both embedded/endemic in guyanese culture
      for which there is no quick fix antibiotic
      cure. Until either “interbreeding” or economic
      mass migration occurs the situation will
      stagnate.
      It may take decades if not century for this
      imbalance to correct itself. We can but hope
      that common sense prevail in any future
      development in Guyana.
      Won’t hold my breadth !

      Forever the optimist

      Kamtan🇬🇧🇬🇾🇪🇸🇬🇧👽

    • Trevor  On January 16, 2020 at 12:47 pm

      “Given the projected oil revenues in the coming years, there should be sufficient resources to provide services, infrastructure, and educational benefits for the broad population across all races.”

      If Jagdeo gets the chance, this will not happen.

  • Yvonne-K  On January 16, 2020 at 9:11 am

    Excellent article by Dr. Hinds. In my humble opinion it’s not the Afro-Guyanese that is unwilling to embrace the East Indians of Guyana. It’s the political leaders of the PPP….especially Jag Jag, who keeps throwing a spanner in the wheel of progress in race relations. They want to dominate Guyana and it was clearly seen during their 22 year tenure as the government where Afro-Guyanese were made to settle for the crumbs thrown their way while the PPP supporters received all the perks to get ahead and economically dominate the country. It’s quite a sad state of affairs for this type of division to continue to foster by Jagdeo. Now with the finding of so much oil in Guyana, he’s obsessed with wanting to return to power……we don’t need to ask why? As long as he remains a strong force in the PPP, race relations will never improve. The PPP need to seriously consider getting rid of this poisonous dart in their midst and look to make Guyana truly a country of One People building together to achieve greatness.

    • Trevor  On January 16, 2020 at 12:58 pm

      A disproportionate amount of bigots and xenophobes are PPP-C supporters. They feel threatened that Venezuelans are coming to Guyana, not because of the border dispute, but because they believe that the population increase is bad. The PPP is stingy people.

      Jagdeo is not a man to be trusted. He is still in the process of suing Freddie Kissoon for libel.

  • Trevor  On January 16, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    Irfaan Ali is a mere puppet of Jagdeo. If the PPP “Civic” wanted to rebrand their image, they would get the old heads like Jagdeo away from the party and bring more tolerant people and people who have no history or political scandals in their closet.

    Freddie Kissoon is a critic, and not once has Prezi Granger hauled Freddie into court for “libel”, but Jagdeo did, and the court case is still, as far as I know, in the dockets.

    Furthermore, I have friend who is a mixed race, but extremely tanned “Indo-Guyanese”, who returned to Guyana after studying & told me that when he went to PPP strongholds across West Coast and East Coast, the locals made him feel unwelcome, and he was told that “local Guyanese [in that community] dislike outsiders”.

    The PPP don’t like anyone who isn’t in their clique, and they believe that the Haitians are coming here en masse (highly untrue) to “rig the elections”.

    The PPP is greedy for the oil revenues, and they are showing it in the way they treat certain Guyanese & Caribbean people.

    Can you imagine that PPP supporters who can’t even read and write are greedy and becoming racist? they believe that they will become rich and they want the money for themselves, yet treat Haitians like garbage.

  • Ian Welch  On January 16, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    The PPP party stopped being a possible home for Afro-Guyanese since Cheddi Jagan declared its Appan Jatt [phonetic] policy, which policy was also pursued by Janet and even more so by Jagdeo. Appan jatt is synonymous with racism and if a corner stone of the PPP party, that party will always be abhorrent to Afro-Guyanese. Anyone aspiring to a leadership position of the PPP and truly desiring racial harmony and moving forward as a united nation should call for a dismantling of the party – it is no longer relevant – or a change of its charter and current leadership as a minimum.

    • Trevor  On January 16, 2020 at 8:34 pm

      Bharrat Jagdeo still holds influence in the PPPC, and is more vocal than Irfaan Ali who is presumed to be the leader.

      Voting for the PPPC is bringing back Jagdeo into the picture. The man who rigged the law books to declare himself a pension for life.

  • Ron Saywack  On January 16, 2020 at 6:11 pm

    Ian Welch wrote: “The PPP party stopped being a possible home for Afro-Guyanese since Cheddi Jagan declared its Appan Jatt… Appan Jatt is synonymous with racism. ”

    Ian, if you are going to blame Dr. Jagan for instigating the unfortunate racial divide in the country by the apaan jaat comment, you might also want to include what Burnham had previously stated at Bourda Green in May 1963 that “the PPP plans to form an ‘authoritarian regime’ in the Legislature and that if this occurs then “there would have to be a shifting of the scene of agitation and opposition in the Legislature to places where they grow rice.”

    Recall, Burnham, D’Aguiar, and Jagan traveled to London in October 1963 for a so-called independence conference with Duncan Sandys. The outcome of that sham meeting was predetermined by the British (and Americans) — that there would be no realistic chance for an agreeable solution, for an independence date, to lowering the voting age to 18 from 21, to a new voting system, etc.

    After the ill-fated London meeting, Burnham and Jagan traveled to India to meet with Prime Minister Nehru to seek his advice. The term ‘apaan jaat’ was allegedly used by Jagan at the Temehri Airport upon their arrival home. To date, there is debate as to whether the alleged comment was ill-intended or simply an innocuous one.

    I personally think that both Burnham and Jagan wanted the best for the country and were driven by politics ambitions – which went too far. The race riots of the 1960s have left an indelible stain on the national psyche and widespread distrust. It must never be repeated!

    In the final analysis, the real enemy of the people were the foreign occupiers. As a wounded people, we must heal, bridge the racial divide, come together as one, and move forward for the good of the country.

    Ron Saywack.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On January 17, 2020 at 12:37 am

    It is unfortunate that Dr. David Hinds could stoop so low for partisan reasons which will only incite Afro-Guyanese against Indo-Guyanese.

    He states: “This is where I take issue with Mr. Jagdeo’s statement, which I think is an insult to the dignity of African-Guyanese.

    “Let me say emphatically that the PPP is not the natural home of African-Guyanese. So, Mr. Jagdeo eyes pass African-Guyanese when he suggests that the PPP is their natural home. There is no greater insult to that community. And this must be exposed and pushed back.”

    “Insult to the dignity of African-Guyanese ”, “eyes pass” ??? How wickedly and dangerously inflammatory his argument is. He is no better than the intellectually weak Dr Kean Gibson in her assault on Hinduism and Indians.

    The PPP was always the home for ALL Guyanese people until Mr Burnham ripped Africans away. Even His sister, Jessie Burnham, couldn’t stand her brother, warning people of her brother’s, Forbes’, ego; and she remained a loyal, life-long supporter of Dr. Jagan and the PPP.

    Looking at the rollout of the PPPC 2020 elections platform (which I accidentally saw live on my computer) I am reminded of Dr Jagan’s days, when he was always surrounded by numerous non-Indian, Black and Mixed, supporters. I personally knew several such supporters. Even during high-school, at the Hindu-owned, Guyana Oriental College, my two closest friends in my senior years were a dougla, Gordon Sumne and mixed, Eddie Monize, who together with their families were ardent Dr Jagan’s supporters.

    Secondly, Hinds falsely claims: “The Jaganite PPP deliberately kept Guyana out of the West Indies Federation on ethnic grounds—it contended that Indian-Guyanese would become a minority in the Federation.”

    FALSE !!! In Dr Jagan’s West on Trial he says his party was up against Big Business, the Anglican Church, and the racist National Democratic Party (NDP) of John Carter and the League of Coloured People where the latter helped convince Burnham and the African backers that the original PPP was Indian-dominated and thus was just using Burnham. I add: This helped convince the egotistic Burnham to split the mass movement.

    Then on the Indian critics side, Dr Jagan writes that the Pandits Council and Dan Debidin of the United Farmers’ and Workers’ party claimed that the Indian interests would be submerged in the African-dominated “West Indies Federation WHICH THE PPP STRONGLY SUPPORTED”.

    As an academic, Dr. Hinds must know these facts. But, he chooses to relay the exact opposite that “The Jaganite PPP deliberately kept Guyana out of the West Indies Federation on ethnic grounds” .

    Shame on him! This, I repeat, can only lead to racial/ethnic cleavage. Then again he is running as a candidate in coming election, as is likely appealing for ethnic votes, especially when he sees the numerous non-Indian, several African or mixed, candidates aligned with the PPPC.

    Nineteen years ago (2001) to the month, January, I was on vacation in Guyana and had to get involved in Guyana politics. The issue was an Indian woman, Rhyaan Shah wrote that the PPPC was democratically elected and should be allowed to rule. That simple statement of fact enraged David Hinds. He shot back that Ms, Shah should be prosecuted (drawn to the attention of the United Nations) for spreading ethnic hate and supremacist ideology. I rebutted in a letter to the editor that Dr. Hinds’ letter was clearly designed to intimidate her and any Indian who supported Ms Shah’s statement; and that he didn’t understand what it means to be democratically elected.

    Since that time, the very few writings of Dr Hinds I have read continue to leave me unimpressed that he is a mature thinker.

    On the matter of (Welch’s) “Appan Jatt”, be it known that this was NEVER uttered by the PPP but by the OPPONENT, Dan Debidin, Dr. Jagan, again clearly assigned the slogan to Debidin. If you have doubts about Dr Jagan honesty, let’s read Eusi Kwayana chastisement of Prof. Kean Gibson on the matter in a commentary of Dr Gibson’s The Cycle of Racial Oppression I Guyana:

    Dr Gibson made the point that in 1957 the Jagan faction used race. There was no need to place “apan jaat” poster in the PPP’s hands. That was a specific slogan used by D.P Debidin mainly AGAINST the PPP, So westernised was Debidin, that he did not at first pronounce the Hindi properly!.”

    There is great need for Dr. Hinds and supporters here to get informed of the facts and apply reason otherwise inter-ethnic hate will carry on generation after generation and Guyana’s future will never improve.

    This is my only commentary on this issue.
    VNM

    • kamtanblog  On January 17, 2020 at 1:24 am

      Integration as opposed to ethnic cleansing
      is way forward for Guyana and guyanese.
      Hitlers nazi actins during WW2 a stark
      reminder of “nationalism” gone mad. OTT
      over the top.
      Hopefully integration of next generations
      will correct the racial imbalances in Guyana’s
      society.
      Remain optimistic for the future regardless
      of results on 2 March 2020.
      A united Guyana is a strong Guyana
      A divided Guyana will fail to heal the
      wounds of past political nationalist pride.

      Am not holding my breadth but remain optimistic for Guyana’s future…with or without
      oil…newly discovered wealth.
      Be aware and beware guyanese
      Ides of March is upon you.

      Kamtan 🇬🇧🇬🇾🇪🇸👽

      • brandli62  On January 20, 2020 at 4:28 am

        Thanks, Kantam for your level-headed commentary to these heated discussions. Please keep in mind that much of the historic aspects, which are discussed here, are irrelevant to the big majority of the Guyanese population as they were not even born at the time of Burnham and Jagan’s quarrels in the early sixties. They have become an academic excise and should be resolved by a commission of scholars from both sides.

        Personally, I believe that the Guyanese have to put the racial divisions to the past, if they want to succeed as a successful and responsible nation in the 21th century. We cannot afford excluding people from shaping the nation on the basis of race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Guyana needs the creativity and work power of every single citizen to achieve the goal of prosperity for all. Regarding Bharrat Jagdeo, his recent comments have come across to me being a neutral observer as frequently non-constructive, obstructive, and occasionally threatening. Being a two-term president, he could do a much better service to the nation, if I were to assume the role of an elder statesman moderating rather than trying to assume power from the background. I still remember his talk at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in 2009 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31zhV88oLpY). What has the happened to young statesman of the Davos talk? The former president would do the best service to the nation, if he would step out of politics and become a force of integration and reason. Jimmy Carter would be a great example to follow!

      • kamtanblog  On January 20, 2020 at 4:43 am

        Indeed…
        BJ is a protege of communistic ideology
        …educated in Russia by his mentor Janet.
        Janet was the worst ting dah effa hapin to
        BG/Guyana. Cheddi was guided/influenced
        by her communistic Stalinist Leninist ideology.

        All history today.

        Fast forward
        Guyana now needs a revolution/reformation
        in thinking in order to move forward.
        Am always optimistic about the future
        with my heart 💓 and umbilical still attached.

        We can but live in hope less we die in despair.

        Que sera sera

        Kamtan

      • brandli62  On January 20, 2020 at 4:51 am

        Lots of typos, sorry for that. Here the corrected last paragraph of my comment:

        What has happened to the young statesman of the Davos talk in 2009? The former president would do the best service to the nation, if he were to step out of politics and become a force of integration and reason. Jimmy Carter would be a great example to follow!

      • kamtanblog  On January 20, 2020 at 5:21 am

        Exactly !

    • Ron Saywack  On January 17, 2020 at 8:57 am

      Veda asserts: “On the matter of (Welch’s) “Appan Jatt”, be it known that this was NEVER uttered by the PPP (Jagan) but by the(ir) OPPONENT, Dan Debidin.

      Dr. Jagan, again clearly assigned the slogan to Debidin.”

      ———————————————————————————–

      Veda, thanks for clarifying the prevailing mischaracterization of the term “apaan jaat”.

      Cheers, Ron.

    • Trevor  On January 17, 2020 at 5:26 pm

      “Dougla” has negative connotations these days. The ideal term is “mixed race” or”Indo-Afro mixture”. The word has links to a Punjabi term which is controversial.

      • kamtanblog  On January 20, 2020 at 6:20 am

        Suggestion
        Google”dougla” FMI

        Think it’s Hindustani …

      • Ken Persaud  On January 20, 2020 at 10:47 pm

        Trevor, you are absolutely correct that the word Dougla carries negative connotations. It is a slur used in North India meaning “bastard” or “mutt”. It has its origins in Bhojpuri, the dialect of Hindi spoken by the majority of Indians who migrated to the West Indies, and elsewhere, as indentured labourers.

        In North India a dougla is described as someone whose parents are from different castes.

        Ken.

      • kamtanblog  On January 21, 2020 at 2:54 am

        It follows that “caste” is more the issue
        than race or class.
        In UK/EU USA there are three identified
        classes.
        Rich class (corporate)
        Working class (salaried/waged)
        Poor class (welfare receptants)

        UK/EU has a major working aka middle
        class. Over 65% or 2/3rds
        Will google for USA stats on working/middle
        class.
        Is it 42M on food stamps ?
        42m of 360m and counting ?
        Hey that’s almost 11% !
        Really !

        Q
        Is USA the richest on the planet ?

        Go figure

        Kamtan

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On January 20, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    The word “Dougla” means a mixture of two races/ethnicities.

    Derived from the number “Two” in Sanskrit is (transliterated) – Duo/Dwi and Hindi – Do.

    And, for those interested: Latin – Duo (same as Sanskrit), French – Deux, Spanish – Dos, Italian – Due.

    VNM

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On January 21, 2020 at 2:40 pm

    Again, just for those who like this type of knowledge:

    Irish: 2 = a dó (ah dough)

    Russian: 2 два [dvah]

    VNM

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On January 21, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    If you find the above interesting, here are a few more Slavic and other countries with cognates to Sanskrit/Hindi: “Duo/Dwi and, Do”.

    Slovenia: 2 – dve;
    Poland 2 – dwa
    Czech 2, two, dva, dvě
    Romania 2 (doi)
    Bulgaria две (dve)
    Ukranie два (dva)

    Then in Baltic Lithuania, it is by gender: 2, du (m) dvi (f)

    And, in Sweden 2 Två [tvo:] (“D” is changed to “T”)

    I have a theory why the relationships. Will reveal in a book by year-end (if I can get down to it).

    VNM

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