Guyana Speaks: Gafoor Lecture in Indentureship and Its Legacies – London UK – September 29, 2019

Guyana SPEAKS will be hosting an event in conjunction with the University of Warwick on Sunday, 29th September (2pm-6pm)

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  • needybad4u/Leonard Dabydeen  On September 8, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    Certainly will be interesting: Gafoor Lecture in Indentureship and its Legacies.
    In spirit of these Indentureship Legacies, I wish to sculpt a chip of a ‘Dabydeen’ legacy :

    https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/as-i-search-for-my-dreams/

    https://guyaneseonline.net/2012/05/22/indentureship-poems-by-and-for-leonard-dabydeen/

    Leonard Dabydeen
    Brampton, Ontario, Canada

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On September 8, 2019 at 11:44 pm

    The conveners and organizers of this event, like so many Indo-Guyanese, continue to be deluded about Prof Seecharan’s views on Indentureship. Many think that Seecharan is sympathetic to the Indian indentured labourers’ cause. In fact, the exact opposite is the case.

    He argues in the link provided that Indians fled India; and were the promoters of racism in Guyana by being the followers of the alleged oppressive, caste and race-saturated Hindu religion being derived from invaders of India – the ‘white Central Asian progenitors’ .

    It seems from just the topic of the event where he will speak on “ ‘Escape to Freedom’ – Indo-Guyanese women and Indentureship” that he plans to continue on this flawed path.

    I have challenged this aberrant thesis in a self-published, just released book: A Mauling of Indians – Prof. Clem Seecharan’ Noxious “Revisionist” Falsehoods of Indo-Guyanese History”.
    Only hard-copies available at this time at vedamohabir@ogers.com

    https://guyaneseonline.net/2014/04/11/32007/#more-32007

    VedaNM.

    • Trevor  On September 9, 2019 at 9:02 pm

      I’m interested in your Ancestry or 23ME results.

      • Emanuel  On September 10, 2019 at 4:50 am

        Brother Trevor:

        Just don’t tease the old man and his fierce obsession. All he ever wants to bleat about is India, his religion and Seecharan, when he is the only one who gives a flying french.

      • Trevor  On September 11, 2019 at 9:47 am

        Most Indo-Guyanese are offended when they are lumped together with Indians, especially “low caste” Indians which are flooding Canada, USA, and the rest of the Caribbean.

        You will be amazed at how many Indo Guyanese actually have ancestors from West African, Amerindian and even European races due to the colonisation of Dutch and British Guiana.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On September 10, 2019 at 11:04 pm

    Emanuel: Since you still didn’t get the first lesson on the Modi thread, for the last time I will educate you. Keep in mind every time you open your mouth you are showing how daft you are.

    I will avoid your salty language. Here’s your lesson, free of charge.
    To know if anyone pays attention to what I write just look at the Top Posts. This topic is now #5 of 10. When I wrote the piece above, it moved up from #9. It’s like the stock market (another free lesson). To know the most popular stock, it is not necessarily the biggest gainer but the one with the largest volume of trades, even though the price may not move much.
    So, even though many may not be commenting, the Top Post statistic says they are reading what I write.

    I know you are a slow learner but it is time you get this other matter. The topic has to do with Indentureship (India & Guyana) and Seecharan, who denounced Hinduism. That is why I provided the link of his earlier 2014 speech.

    For all other readers:
    I have had several commendations for my book – The Mauling of Indians – exposing Seecharan’s weak and biased scholarship and toxic pronounceents in his 2014 lecture. Here are a couple commentaries from established academics.

    One, a well-known Guyanese, with a PhD and is a well-known educator, spoke of the book as “timely and necessary”. He himself is perturbed by Seecharan’s attack on Hinduism. Said he was about to buy Seecharan’s book of Rohan Kanhai until he saw Seecharan’s false assertions on Hinduism in that book.

    The second, a highly acknowledged academic and university administrator, with a PhD (English) from London University, England spoke (in a phone message) of my book as “Wonderful, Wonderful…” and that the book ‘will create a storm of approaches to India and Guyana’ and then concluded “I tell you it is wonderful”. I have this message saved on my phone. Next day he further told me the book is worth more than a PhD.

    Most Indians don’t write here, I know of only one who sometimes writes. They prefer not to rock the boat, plus they are afraid of being trolled. I, as can be seen, am an outlier. I can mix it up with the best. Partly, because I know the subject I write on very well. Secondly, I was a very public person at one time.

    On the matter of “the subject”, most Indians have been misled by the likes of Seecharan. Ask them about Indentureship and they know scarcely anything. They are shocked when I tell them that 240,000 Indians were shipped to Guyana, with some sailing ships carry as many as 700 misled, abducted and wretched Indians. And, that over half-a-million were taken to the Caribbean area including French and Dutch colonies. And Indo-Guyanese are even more shocked when I reveal that the journey was 10,500 miles across 3 oceans and it took up to 3 ½ months at sea during which their ancestors were measly fed and bullied/roughed-up or beaten; and the women “sexploited” and raped by the ships’ officers and seamen.

    I am willing to bet Seecharan will not talk of these facts at the upcoming lecture as his topic is already billed as “An escape to Freedom – Indo- Guyanese women and Indentureship”.
    VedaNM.

    • Emanuel  On September 11, 2019 at 6:14 am

      Seecharan is a scholar and you are not.

      Seecharan is not one-track-mined as you.

      People pay attention to what he says. On the other hand, you are a scholar in your own mind, in your own twisted world view.

      Seecharan doesn’t resort to name calling, only those who have certain deficits do.

      There are a million things happening each day in the world, for example, the destructive hurricane that devastated the Bahamas, climate change, sports, fire in the Amazon rainforest, but all you want to bleat about is Seecharan, India and your religion. Seek professional help and be quiet. No one cares about your obsession, your illness.

      Emanuel.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On September 11, 2019 at 9:17 am

    Seecharan and his anti-Indian supporters will tell you that Indians
    ‘Fled’ India due to Brahmin and their goons’ and “patriarchy” grip on India leading to famines. He tells you nothing that the British savaged the once dominant Indian economy by replacing food cultivation with Opium, Indigo, etc production to fatten British purses leading to massive famines and population dislocation.

    This allowed the Indentureshipping’ (coined word) of wretched Indians to the colonies.

    Also, who in their right mind would venture out on 10,500 miles for over 3months on cramped ships to fill their bellies?

    Furthermore, he won’t tell you that the virtual captives on the ships were deemed ‘weak coolies’ who could’nt defend themselves and their womenfolk on the ships, hence the rapes.

    VedaNM

  • Trevor  On September 11, 2019 at 9:49 am

    Veda, please do a DNA test, and discover whether you are really “Indian” or just someone who has ancestral ties to India, but has been mixed away over the centuries.

    Those Indians from India are very racist because one has to be 100% Indian to be a member of Hindustan.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On September 11, 2019 at 11:30 pm

    What should be obvious to readers is how a couple of Afro-Guyanese misfits are out to destroy the Indian community’s cohesion, whether it is in Guyana or abroad. What these miscreants (there were at least 4 of them Modi thread) do is follow me around and manufacture falsehoods so that the unsuspecting reader is confused about the truth about India and Indian identity. (But then, they have a role model in Prof Seecharan). With people like these in Guyana, the nation has little positive prognosis. Oil will only grease the hate. They are ignored from hereon.
    ………………..
    I know two outfits which/who take Indo-Guyanese, including myself, in Canada on tours to India, twice a year. None of the people who went on these tours – some several times – has ever regretted a trip. They always want more. We visitors have never found any discrimination in India.

    Secondly, In Canada, I come regularly in contact with Indian nationals, I attend a mandir where two groups own and hold services and cultural events there. Guyanese/Trinis are one group and the other is a mix of Indian immigrants from India and from Africa. What is interesting is that this latter group speak and hold services in Hindi but most cannot read it. So, a Guyanese pandit holds Hindi classes for them. This is an example of how integrated or non-discriminatory the Indian diaspora is.

    Here is another surprise, the professor who said my book is “wonderful” is an Indian national who held philosophy classes for a mix of both groups. He, an Indian national – a well respected academic – feels my book is worthy for both Guyana and India!

    As another example, at the Vishnu mandir in Thornhill (outside Toronto) where Guyanese Dr Doobay (cardiac surgeon) is the presiding pandit, many Indian nationals attend services there.

    On the subject of academic worth, just today at a gym, a Canadian-born (Scot & Irish ancestry) retired high school principal who bought a copy of my book very early, and has already commended me on the scholarly approach I take in the book, again repeated his adulation on reading the chapter on the Aryan Invasion Theory. He was impressed with the range of evidence including scientific and genetic which I marshaled to vanquish Seecharan’s thesis.

    So, Indians should be aware and be on guard that this undermining and division is afoot.

    VedaNM.

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