Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum – BBC News – various reports

Brexit: UK votes to leave EU in historic referendum – BBC News 

A teller counts ballot papers at the Titanic Exhibition Centre, Belfast

BREXIT – LEAVE voters win

The UK has voted to leave the European Union after 43 years in a historic referendum.

Leave won by 52% to 48% with England and Wales voting strongly for Brexit, while London, Scotland and Northern Ireland backed staying in the EU.

UKIP leader Nigel Farage hailed it as the UK’s “independence day” but the Remain camp called it a”catastrophe”.

The pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar since 1985 as the markets reacted to the results.  

The referendum turnout was 71.8% – with more than 30 million people voting – the highest turnout at a UK election since 1992.

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  • Clyde Duncan  On June 24, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    Brexit is not a warning about an advent of Trump – the reason is Barack Obama

    By Laurence Lewis – Daily Kos

    You’re going to be reading a lot of stories about the Brexit vote being a warning that Donald Trump can win in the USA. Those stories will be wrong.

    Brexit apparently has won, and the primary reason is the economic turmoil wrought by the greed and at times open cruelty of British austerity, as imposed by David Cameron and George Osborne.

    Labour didn’t run against austerity in the last British election, and was punished for it. The British people were punished with more austerity. A brutal economy always feeds extremism, and that is how Britain got Brexit.

    The irony was that Cameron and Osborne had to fight desperately against the consequences of their own policies. And if you think I’m ignoring Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, that’s because he was almost invisible during the Remain campaign, and his support was tepid if not feigned. Britain has austerity and no credible national leaders. Hence Brexit.

    While much of Europe was electing right wing governments that imposed austerity, the USA was electing Barack Obama. The Obama stimulus was a starkly different approach from European austerity.

    A larger stimulus would have done more to fuel a robust recovery, but the stimulus that was enacted stopped the economic free fall, and got the United States back on the right track. More needs to be done, and will be done, but the difference with Europe and particularly Britain is obvious.

    The extremism fueling the Trump campaign is neither as broad or deep as the extremism fueling Brexit. Because President Obama and Congressional Democrats ensured that the United States did not end up with the sort of brutal economic program the Republicans would have imposed, and that Cameron and Osborne in Britain did impose.

    Simply put, the extremism fueling Brexit does not have the same resonance in the United States of America. Because our economy is not suffering the way Britain’s economy is suffering. And the economic agenda of Hillary Clinton is very deliberately to build on the success of the Obama economic agenda. The United States of America has alternatives that Britain did not have. And the USA will not follow Britain’s path into extremism because it hasn’t been on a parallel economic path.

    Comment – Homer:
    Watched the Beeb last night, and couldn’t help but see the similarities and reasons to be concerned.

    FIRST, the British working class vote was split along racial lines. The presenters didn’t put it that way. They simply said the “white working class” was voting to leave. And numerous polls said, “the voters don’t believe us,” and “they don’t believe anybody anymore.” Sound familiar?

    If that doesn’t scare the crap out of you folks, you need more fibre in your diet. Trump won the GOP nomination by stirring up a white riot. He consistently outperformed the polls in the homestretch.

    Brexit Leave outperformed the polls yesterday. Not everyone tells pollsters the truth. And with Brexit and Trump, it seems more people lied and said they’d vote one way, and ended up voting either to Leave or for the Donald.

    Whatever you do, don’t underestimate the threat – or look to 2020. The wolf is at the door. Now.

    Comment – Are We There Yet:
    Re: Ethnicity… it’s still possible to win elections with the support of the “white working class” in Britain because Britain, as of their most recent census, is over 87% white.

    In Britain, the white working class can still control the outcomes of elections because they are still the overwhelming majority population. You don’t have to convince all of them to vote for you – only a little over half of them, to win.

    This is no longer true in the United States of America. We are only a little under 64% white as of the 2010 census. You would have to convince nearly every single white person to vote for you, in order to win.

    Trump has alienated every ethnicity other than white. And among white Americans, trust me, he’ll get nowhere near the majority of us that he would need to win.

    [I hope that does not give you, or anyone in the USA, any comfort until November]

  • Clyde Duncan  On June 24, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    The Britain I knew is gone: what Brexit feels like from abroad

    David Shariatmadari – the Guardian UK

    I haven’t been an expatriate very long. I came to the USA in February, when London and New York were the same temperature. Now, the city I moved to is hotting up, the one I left behind sloshed with rain, easing itself imperceptibly into the pattern of tepid weekends we call summer. I watch videos of submerged streets half smug, half wistful.

    I’m still yet to shed the cultural habits – such as talking about the weather – that mark me out as British. I won’t list them, but all the clichés are still very much in evidence. I haven’t minded, because it’s not a bad brand to be associated with: small but big, ancient but modern, and island but one open to the world.

    Suddenly, that image has been destroyed, and I feel a sense of grief which is entirely new to me. This is not a personal tragedy. It’s a constitutional melding, out of which something different will eventually be fashioned. But I can usually put political events into a box marked: “its fine no one died”.

    Tragically, that bromide quite doesn’t hold this time. Even so, I didn’t expect to find myself, as I wandered through the streets of Manhattan yesterday evening – glued to my phone, overshooting my destination by several blocks – shaking with tension.

    Separated from my lifelong friends and family by thousands of miles, but desperate to express myself, I tweeted a bit too much. I railed and ranted in disbelief, and wrote “If this is really happening I have to fundamentally rethink how I relate to the world in terms of citizenship, fellowship, my ‘nationality’”.

    Melodramatic, huh? But as I look at it now, in the air-conditioned morning, it seems about right. Citizenship, fellowship, nationality – these are all inventions – things in the mind. But we’ve brought them into being again and again through history because we have a yearning for a sense of home that goes beyond the concrete. A sense not so much of where you belong – but of who you belong with. The elements of personhood you pick from a menu written by all the people who occupied this space before you: a sense of humour, solidarity with the weak, eccentricity, liberalism, self-deprecation, an addiction to shit tea from dusty teabags.

    When I was at high school – in what was revealed last night to be one of the most solidly anti-EU parts of England – we felt European. There was an exchange programme with Spain, we went on coach trips to Austria, the headmaster flew the European flag from the top of one of the buildings. And all of that felt good. We weren’t just some irrelevant bunch of kids in the sticks, we were connected. In politics classes we learnt about the European institutions. How they were built on hope, with idealism, underpinned by a belief that human beings can organise themselves better. What a contrast with the Conservative rump still leading us in little England: refusing to consider constitutional reform, refusing to appoint a minister for Europe, refusing to take responsibility for selling arms to Iraq, refusing to scrap homophobic laws.

    Those of us who believed in human rights and collective endeavour thanked god for the European Union – it was the political saving grace of the United Kingdom, as far as we were concerned.

    Now, It Is Gone.

    And I thought I was going to be covering a topsy-turvy time in American politics.

    That has proven to be the case. But I believe voters here will elect Hillary Clinton in five months’ time. I never thought that, more rapidly than I could have imagined, British politics would eclipse anything I’ve seen here in terms of tragedy and farce.

    The Leave campaign peddled shameful lies, lies that have permanently damaged us. They will now have to reckon with people angry at their failure to deliver what they promised. It is going to be ugly.

    The worst of it is that the catastrophe was entirely preventable. David Cameron did not have to call a referendum. A referendum with a simple majority is a stupid way to decide on far-reaching constitutional change. As my politics lessons also taught me, here in the states you need a two-thirds majority in two-thirds of the states to carry out that kind of major surgery. And it’s still democracy.

    Tonight I will go drinking, and talking with my British pals about how we can’t believe what’s happened. What will we be returning to when our time here comes to an end? I turned my back for what seems like a second, and my country seems to have voluntarily dismembered itself. Where’s home now?

  • Clyde Duncan  On June 24, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    On another thread – I was exchanging some opinions with Trump Supporters:

    One writes: “The Exit-folks would like to control their destiny. DO you blame them?”

    This writer asserts:

    The Exit-folks are delusional … “We’re British” ain’t worth the paper it’s written on.

    All those European nations have Passed Their Best-Before-Date … No Exceptions

    Remember, they owned the planet. – The “New World” was under their collective thumbs.

    They made the laws – the Rules – Destroyed people’s culture and told them how to live …

    By their Religious Books – Their Laws – Their Constitution – Their Rules

    Their Candles Burnt Out … as the song says – Before their Legend ever did.

    The UK needs Europe and Europe needs the UK

    They are a Family – One hand washes the Other

    They could either stand together OR Go down separately

    There is NO WAY for the Exit-Folks – “We’re British”-Folks to ever regain the control they once enjoyed.

    Britannia don’t Rule No Waves – No mo’

    The Sun never sets on the British Empire – No mo’

    They – like Donald Trump – are looking at life in the rear-view mirror.

    That-White-IS-Right-Thing is Passé – Get over your-British-selves!!

    I am not impressed with Donald Trump supporters – Undeveloped Brains, the lot.

    They disagree and they throw another white tantrum

    Cut off their nose to spite their face

    Vote against their self-interest to promote “We’re British – We drive on the wrong side of the road because we want to …!”

    The Exit Vote shows how dumb de people is …. Just saying!!

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