Gaza Strip conflict: Once And For All.!! – By Uri Avnery

Once And For All.!! –  By Uri Avnery

26/07/14 -Tel Aviv. Israel

IN THIS war, both sides have the same aim: to put an end to the situation that existed before it started.

Once And For All!

To put an end to the launching of rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip, Once And For All!

To put an end to the blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt, Once And For All!

So why don’t the two sides come together without foreign interference and agree on tit for tat?

They can’t because they don’t speak to each other. They can kill each other, but they cannot speak with each other. God forbid.

THIS IS NOT a war on terror. The war itself is an act of terror.

Neither side has a strategy other than terrorizing the civilian population of the other side. 

The Palestinian fighting organizations in Gaza try to impose their will by launching rockets at Israeli towns and villages, hoping that this will break the morale of the population and compel it to end the blockade that turns the Gaza Strip into an “open-air prison”.

The Israeli army is bombing the Gaza Strip population and destroying entire neighbourhoods, hoping that the inhabitants (those who survive) will shake off the Hamas leadership.

Both hopes are, of course, stupid. History has shown time and again that terrorizing a population causes it to unite behind its leaders and hate the enemy even more. That is happening now on both sides.

SPEAKING ABOUT the two sides in a war, one can hardly avoid creating the impression of symmetry. But this war is far from symmetric.

Israel has one of the largest and most efficient military machines in the world. Hamas and its local allies amount to a few thousand fighters, if that.

The closest analogy one can find is the mythical story of David and Goliath. But this time we are Goliath, and they David.

The story is generally misunderstood. True, Goliath was a giant and David a small shepherd, but Goliath was armed with old-fashioned weapons – heavy armour, sword and shield – and could hardly move, while David had a new-fangled surprise weapon, the sling, with which he could kill from a distance.

Hamas hoped to achieve the same with its rockets, whose reach was a surprise. Also with the number and efficiency of their tunnels, which are reaching into Israel. However, this time Goliath too was inventive, and the Iron Dome missile batteries intercepted practically all the rockets that could have harmed population centres, including my neighbourhood in Tel Aviv.

By now we know that neither side can compel the other side to capitulate. It’s a draw. So why go on killing and destroying?

Ah, there’s the rub. We can’t talk to each other. We need intermediaries.

A CARTOON in Haaretz this week shows Israel and Hamas fighting, and a bunch of mediators dancing in a circle around them.

They all want to mediate. They are fighting each other because each of them wants to mediate, if possible alone. Egypt, Qatar, the US, the UN, Turkey, Mahmoud Abbas, Tony Blair and several more. Mediators galore. Each wants to gain something from the misery of war.

It’s a sorry lot. Most of them pitiful, some of them outright disgusting.

Take Egypt, ruled by a bloodstained military dictator. He is a full-time collaborator with Israel, as was Hosny Mubarak before him, only more efficient. Since Israel controls all the other land and sea borders of the Gaza Strip, the Egyptian border is Gaza’s only outlet to the world.

But Egypt, the former leader of the Arab world, is now a subcontractor of Israel, more determined than Israel itself to starve the Gaza Strip and kill Hamas. Egyptian TV is full of “journalists” who curse the Palestinians in the most vulgar terms and grovel before their new Pharaoh. But Egypt now insists on being the sole broker of the cease-fire.

The UN Secretary General is rushing around. He was chosen for his job by the US because he is not outstandingly clever. Now he looks pitiful.

But not more pitiful than John Kerry, a pathetic figure flying hither and thither, trying to convince everyone that the US is still a world power. Gone are the days when Henry Kissinger commanded the leaders of Israel and the Arab countries what to do and what not (especially telling them not to talk to each other, but only to him.)

What exactly is the role of Mahmoud Abbas? Nominally, he is the president of the Gaza Strip, too. But he gives the impression of trying to mediate between the de facto Gaza government and the world. He is much closer to Tel Aviv than to Gaza.

And so the list goes on. The ridiculous figure of Tony Blair. The European Foreign Ministers trying to get a photo opportunity with their neo-fascist Israeli colleague. Altogether, a disgusting sight.

I want to cry out to my government and to the Hamas leaders: For God’s sake, forget about the whole sorry lot, talk to each other!

THE PALESTINIAN fighting capabilities are surprising everyone, especially the Israeli army. Instead of begging for a ceasefire by now, Hamas is refusing until its demands are met, while Binyamin Netanyahu seems eager to stop before sinking even deeper into the Gaza morass – a nightmare for the army.

The last war began with the assassination of the Hamas military commander, Ahmad al-Jaabari. His successor is an old acquaintance, Mohammed Deif, whom Israel has tried to assassinate several times, causing him severe injuries. It now appears that he is far more capable than his predecessor – the web of tunnels, the production of far more effective rockets, the better trained fighters – all this attests to a more competent leader.

(This has happened before. We assassinated a Hizbollah leader, Abbas al-Mussawi, and got the far more talented Hassan Nasrallah.)

In the end, some kind of cease-fire will come into being. It will not be the end Once And For All. It never is.

What will remain?

THE HATRED between the two sides has grown. It will remain.

The hatred of many Israelis for Israel’s Arab citizens has grown considerably, and this cannot be repaired for a long time. Israeli democracy has been hard hit. Neo-Fascist groups, once a fringe, are now accepted in the mainstream. Some cabinet ministers and Knesset members are outright fascist.

They are acclaimed now by almost all the world’s leaders and repeat parrot-like Netanyahu’s most threadbare propaganda slogans. But millions around the world have seen day after day the terrible pictures of devastation and death in the Gaza Strip. These will not be eradicated from their minds by a cease-fire. Israel’s already precarious standing in the world will sink even lower.

Inside Israel itself, decent people feel more and more uncomfortable. I have heard many utterances by simple people who suddenly talk about emigration. The choking atmosphere inside the country, the awful conformism of all our media (with Haaretz a shining exception), the certainty that war will follow war forever – all this is leading young people to dream about a quiet life with their families in Los Angeles or Berlin.

In the Arab world the consequences will be even worse.

For the first time, almost all Arab governments have openly embraced Israel in the fight against Hamas. For young Arabs anywhere, this is an act of shameful humiliation.

The Arab Spring was an uprising against the corrupt, oppressive and shameless Arab elite. The identification with the plight of the forsaken Palestinian people was an important part of this.

What has happened now is, from the point of view of today’s young Arabs, worse, much worse. Egyptian generals, Saudi princes, Kuwaiti emirs and their peers throughout the region stand before their younger generation naked and contemptible, while the Hamas fighters look like shining examples. Unfortunately, this reaction may lead to an even more radical Islamism.

WHILE STANDING in an anti-war demonstration in Tel Aviv, I was asked by a nice young man: “OK, assuming that this war is bad, what would you do at 6 o’clock after the war?” (That was the name of a famous World War II Soviet movie.)

Well, to start with I would drive away all the mediators and start to talk directly with fighters of the other side.

I would agree to put an immediate end to the land, sea and air blockade of the Gaza Strip and allow the Gazans to build a decent port and airport. On all routes, effective controls must ensure that no weapons are let in.

I would ask that Hamas, after receiving international guarantees, remove in reasonable stages all rockets and destroy all tunnels under the border.

I would certainly release at once all the Shalit-exchange prisoners who were re-arrested at the start of the present crisis. An obligation undertaken under pressure is still an obligation, and cheating by a government is still ugly.

I would recognize, and call upon the world to recognize, the Palestinian Unity Government and do nothing to impede free Palestinian presidential and parliamentary elections, under international inspection. I would undertake to respect the results, whatever they may be.

I would immediately start honest peace negotiations with the unified Palestinian leadership, on the basis of the Arab Peace Initiative. Now that so many Arab governments embrace Israel, there seems to be a unique chance for a peace agreement.

In short, put an end to the war Once And For All.

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Comments

  • Albert  On July 25, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    A very interesting piece. Frankly I am bored with this so called war. When news of the war comes on I turn to something else. Too much of a mismatch.
    Did Israel get all those tanks, bombers, and arms from the US? They are doing a good job using it to kill civilians.
    We know the Russian rebels in Ukraine got their aircraft missiles from Russia. They too did a good job at killing civilians.
    Don’t soldiers kill soldiers and terrorists anymore.

    • Dan Amo  On July 30, 2014 at 2:18 pm

      Search out the facts…Uri Avnery is a peace activist and has a bias. What weapons do civilians have to defend themselves against Hamas’ thousands of missiles – is this a mismatch you condemn also?! Is this a lopsided cricket match – so ESPN should apologize for covering such a boring event? The people attending funerals daily wish they could change the channel too – like you so easily do on their every day reality! I have a remedy that should excite you, and perhaps give you something more meaningful to think about: fly over there – go hug some Hamas soldiers and then tell them your a Jew to their face and see what peace they offer you! Then you can tell all of us first hand how evil Israel is. Easy to judge when the bombs aren’t falling on your defenseless family and friends.

      • Albert  On July 30, 2014 at 9:01 pm

        Why boring…..because we have a replay every few years. Like George Friedman on the other post said, it changes nothing.
        Since you are here what do you think about the Friedman article.

  • Cyril Balkaran  On July 26, 2014 at 7:00 am

    The culture of wars in this part of the world is not new to that region. They believe in the same God as we do, but their hatred for one another is beyond the battle fields and so peace and ceasefire are elusive and are in the hands of the Presidents of USA past and present. Peace brokered or otherwise is not a mutual desire of these two countries and that is why they stockpile machines of war sold to them by their war mongers. The day it dawns on them that the battle is theirs to finish that will be the day peace will descend on them from the heavenly regions! Love thy neighbours as thyself! For God so love the world that He gave his only begotten son and those who believe in him shall not perish but shall have everlasting Life! Amen.

    • Dan Amo  On July 30, 2014 at 2:21 pm

      You’ve touched on it Cyril. The struggle is truly one of overcoming the desire for revenge once one side kills someone’s family on the other. Very difficult and troubling situation – certainly God has the only real solution.

      • Dan Amo  On August 2, 2014 at 3:30 pm

        They actually don’t believe in the same god. The Quran says allah had no son – and so it is written inside the dome of the rock in Jerusalem. So Yeshua (Jesus) is nothing more than a great prophet to them. The Torah says in the beginning “Elohim” created – a plural, masculin word – so quran would say all other faiths are poly-theistic but theirs (ignoring their origins in mecca pre-600 CE). In Torah God’s name is stated “Immanuel” which is “God with us”, and “The Everlasting Father”. The Jewish people are taught that Yeshua (Jesus) was only a good teacher and certainly NOT their Messiah “Immanuel” or God’s Son (for which He was accused of blasphemy and crucified). Yet the Christians who believe God is able to dwell within them and not in temples built with human hands, are taught by Yeshua (Jesus) that God is their Father and to call Him that when they pray. This is all preparing us for the appearance of the Messiah who will one day descend on the Mount of Olives and leave no doubt of His true identity or of His being God.

  • guyaneseonline  On July 26, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    ​The History of the fighting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_conflict

  • gigi  On July 29, 2014 at 1:15 am

    You would Mr Avnery – put an end to the war and pursue honest and meaningful peace negotiations – but Israel does not want to end this war until it achieves its aim of fully exterminating the Palestinians living in Palestine. Hamas knows this, the Palestinian people knows this, the world knows this. Asking Hamas to abide by Israel’s demands would be akin to a thief who brazenly comes into my house, decides to occupy it and demands that I leave or stay and be subjected to his abuses and violence against me. Am I not allowed to refuse his demands? What am I supposed to do when I have no where else to go? I have everything to lose and him everything to gain. Should I not stand and fight for what is rightfully mine? Or do I cower like a abandon dog and curl up and die from poverty, hunger and starvation? Is it fair or just to ask anyone to accept these terms? The problem with this thief, like all thieves is that this behavior doesn’t stop but emboldens them to continue. Every time Israel declares war on Palestine more and more Palestinians are savagely and viciously murdered by Israel, and more and more of native Palestinian lands are grabbed up by grotesquely greedy and murdering Hitler like Israel.

    • Dan Amo  On July 30, 2014 at 6:33 pm

      In a “land for peace” attempt, in 2005 the government of Israel psassed law and pulled out of the Gaza strip and some of the West Bank. They forced Israeli citizens to leave under eviction orders, and passed law forbidding Israeli citizens to repopulate these areas. Then in 2005 they removed Israeli Defense Forces from the border of Egypt, and Gaza was essentially its own state, with its own government. Israel still sent money, equipment, training and medical relief and most decent arab/jewish groups co-operate by leaving their politics at the door. End result: 10 years later, intricate “terror” tunnels to move military munitions and men close to and under the Israeli border to attack Israel and kidnap its soldiers. UNRWA schools used as weapons caches, and hospitals and civilian areas used as staging and attack points by terrorists. The people in Gaza are suffering at the hands of their own government’s agenda – just as Ramallah was forced to suffer while the PLO got rich from international funds ($3 Billion stolen when Yassir Arafat died). These leaders allow the citizens to live in squaller and set them up for agony to make political statements, but Hamas themselves are not so afflicted. The real thieves are also liars and master propagandists. Examine both sides for faults, not just one. Let’s see justly and rightly – and then perhaps REAL solutions will flow.

  • gigi  On July 29, 2014 at 1:17 am

    Very eyeopening article on Israel’s true motive

    The Secret Report That Helps Israelis Cover Atrocities
    How Israel Spins War Crimes
    by PATRICK COCKBURN

    …”The booklet [or study] is full of meaty advice about how they [Israel] should shape their answers for different audiences. For example,… How about the right of return for Palestinian refugees who were expelled or fled in 1948 and in the following years, and who are not allowed to go back to their homes? Here Dr Luntz has subtle advice for spokesmen, saying that “the right of return is a tough issue for Israelis to communicate effectively because much of Israeli language sounds like the ‘separate but equal’ words of the 1950s segregationists and the 1980s advocates of Apartheid. The fact is, Americans don’t like, don’t believe and don’t accept the concept of ‘separate but equal’.”

    …The study admits that the Israeli government does not really want a two-state solution, but says this should be masked because 78 per cent of Americans do. Hopes for the economic betterment of Palestinians should be emphasised.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is quoted with approval for saying that it is “time for someone to ask Hamas: what exactly are YOU doing to bring prosperity to your people”. The hypocrisy of this beggars belief: it is the seven-year-old Israeli economic siege that has reduced the Gaza to poverty and misery.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/28/how-israel-spins-war-crimes/

    • Dan Amo  On July 30, 2014 at 6:48 pm

      Clarify: presently all democratic nations want a two state solution, but the west wants two DEMOCRATIC and FREE STATES. Arab nations and especially HAMAS to the south, Hizbullah to the north, ISIS to the east all want Israel anihilated. Israel is willing only to consider the two states with post 1967 borders, a unified JErusalem as capital, and need guaranteed security from its neighbors. But, the UN, world media, an IRAN’s nuclear program have Israel absolutely distrusting everyone – so no two-state plan. It is unlikely that anything short of a mighty international peace making force standing on all of Israel’s borders will keep the two sides from re-igniting battle after battle – or the sudden appearance of a very slick world leader with extraordinary diplomatic powers able to bring about a miraculous solution to thousands of years of resentment.

  • gigi  On July 29, 2014 at 1:25 am

    When I read the comments posted by some people on this site, I can’t help but be reminded of this quote.

    “The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions [including acts of wars]. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swells his chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”
    ― Bertolt Brecht

  • Henry  On July 30, 2014 at 2:18 am

    what rubbish Avery! Palestinians live in a virtual concentration camp. They are hemmed in by air, sea and land – Stop the blockade and the inhumane ghettoisation of the Palestinians. Where is the Palestinian army & air force, tanks etc? What on earth are you talking about? Israel has one of the most advanced military machines in the world and is employing disproportionate murderous tactics. If a non-western nation had committed these disgusting neo-fascistic actions they would be hauled before The International Criminal Court & the “Wall Street mascot” would be issuing military threats, with Britain and other western nations in tow!
    Israel appears to be seeking the annihilation of the Palestinian people and you write this trite nonsense in support.
    Interestingly, when Hamas won democratic elections they were not recognised by the USA and other western nations – strange, eh.?
    What is the hold that Israel has on the USA?
    Perhaps, you should be more truthful with yourself.

    • Dan Amo  On July 30, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      A non-western nation like, say, SYRIA?! or SUDAN?! or Mali, Libya, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar (Burma), Yemen, Nigeria, China, maybe even Russo-Crimea?! Who could forget Rwanda, maybe you?! Read the Hamas charter of terror – they exist to anihilate the jewish people, not lead, build and govern ther own. Read the Jewish charter – what do they exist to do?! Democratic elections also gave the Muslim Brotherhood Egypt, which had to be removed by their army to prevent a sharia state, and “democratic election” in the middle of a civil genocide also saw Bashir reinstated as President of Syria. So much for democracy in the middle east.

  • Clyde Duncan  On July 30, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    Before you people criticize Uri Avnery you should walk a mile in his shoes …. don’t bother, you won’t fit in his shoes! Avnery is an atheist, but the first time a Palestinian ever met an Israeli face-to-face, to sit and chat – it was Avnery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery

    • Albert  On July 30, 2014 at 6:08 pm

      “…….the first time a Palestinian (the Palestine leader) ever met an Israeli face-to-face, to sit and chat – it was Avnery.”

      • Dan Amo  On August 2, 2014 at 4:34 pm

        The Israeli’s are NOT allowed to travel in arab countries, so how can the myths about them being monsters and apes and pigs ever be dispelled. Prior to 1948 arabs and jewish people lived peacefully together in “Palestine” under British control having loosed “The Holy Land” from the Ottomon Turks. After Israel laid claim to the Belfour Accord and British Mandate to become a state, the arab neighbours told the arabs living in there to get out or be killed along with the jews. The war ended with Israel winning its statehood. Before 1967 there never was a “Palestinian” designation – they were either Jewish or called Syrian, Jordanian & Egyptian refugees.

  • Albert  On July 30, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    What bugs me is the fact that each of our political party is fighting to show they support Israel more than the other. Israel get all the military weapons it needs from the US, most likely in the form of aid, to destroy the Palestinians. At the same time the US and Europe are applying sanctions on Russia because it is supplying arms to the rebels in Ukraine to kill and enforce its will on Ukrainians.
    Is this western hypocrisy, or not?

    • Dan Amo  On July 30, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      The Ulraine wasn’t shooting thousands of rockets into Russia when the decided to send their military accross the sovereign borders of that nation, and proceed to have a referendum boycotted by the majority of Ukranians who did not recognize their legitimacy to annex Crimea. Kind of different, Albert.

  • gigi  On July 31, 2014 at 12:05 am

    Dan Amno is a paid troll by the Israeli govt to propagate for Israel. His ilk are all over the Guardian, Atlantic, and Al Jazeera spewing Israel propaganda. His English is a dead giveaway, If Israel is truly the innocent victim at the mercy of big bad Hamas why does it have to stoop so very low to pay people to sympathize with them? The Palestinians don’t! Heck they can’t afford to because Israel has stolen all of their resources! And for a greater understanding of Israel’s morbid psychopathic mentality, below is a video of Israeli youths singing and celebrating over the death of innocent and defenseless Palestinian children.

    Recently, a psychopathic Israeli minister had the utter chutzpah to insult the Brazilian president for criticizing Israel by poking fun at Brazil’s loss in the world cup. Well you sick and detestable excuse for a human, at least Brazilians and Brazilian youths do not go around viciously murdering innocent children and civilians unlike Israel.

    Here is the link to the video and some lines of the English translation:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-is-a-graveyard-theres-no-school-tomorrow-all-the-children-are-dead-sing-joyful-israeli-youths/5393961

    (The mob also incites directly against Ahmed Tibi and Haneen Zoabi, two prominent Palestinian citizens of Israel who are members of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament.)

    In Gaza there’s no studying
    No children are left there,
    Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé,

    [Three lines, not entirely clear]

    Who is getting nervous, I hear?
    Zoabi, this here is the Land of Israel
    This here is the Land of Israel, Zoabi
    This here is the Land of the Jews
    I hate you, I do, Zoabi
    I hate all the Arabs.
    Oh-oh-oh-oh
    Gaza is a graveyard
    Gaza is a graveyard
    Gaza is a graveyard
    Gaza is a graveyard

    • Albert  On July 31, 2014 at 2:43 pm

      I am inclined to agree that Dan Amno may be a paid troll. I have work for many years in New York among Jewish people (and others) and have come to have great respect for them. As a group they are a highly civilized people. The ones in Israel must be different because I cannot see those I know harboring the thought of killing civilians, including women and children, on the scale its happening in this so called war.
      As someone wrote in the short run its like house cleaning. The killing will happen again in a few more years.
      Arabs also have an habit of remembering history. Unless all are killed their boys will become men and the historical war will continue.

    • Dan Amo  On August 2, 2014 at 5:21 pm

      Who’s the troll?! Maybe intellectual and journalistic INTEGRITY are important to some of us. Albert, I’ve stayed with people in Jordan and Israel and neither are what “gigi-troll” is telling you – he is part of the propaganda machine – I get $0.00 for telling the truth – my kingdom & rewards are not in this world. Don’t let “gigi-troll” or even the Israeli media tell you facts: simply research first source arab curriculum, watch Al-Jazeera TV shows for kids, listen to their talk shows, read the charters of Hamas, Mujahadeen, Hizbullah, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quida and discover why these exist for yourself – and that “gigi-troll” is a hypocrite. I could post hundreds of links here for you. Why did the world stop flying into Israel, so, who is a threat to the innocents?! Those “prominent Palestinians” “gigi-troll” mentioned were in fact calling for jihad against the democratic government and country they were elected and sworn to serve and protect (treason!?) and were only suspended (in Gaza they kill collaborators like this week) – and yes the free and democratic state of Israel let’s arabs participate even in its government. A jew abroad in arab lands is a dead-man and his body is publicly desecrated! Albert, anyone with open eyes can see the truth and what “gigi-troll” is hiding: taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy’ has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Islamic prophet Mohammed said: ‘he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.’ “gigi-troll” is siding with the one’s who want World Domination, and Israel’s annihilation. But, you judge for yourself.

  • walter  On July 31, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    Ever considered what would have been different if the Jews had accepted the offer of the British Government to setttle in Guiana.

    • Albert  On August 3, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      Walter “Ever considered what would have been different if the Jews had accepted the offer of the British Government to setttle in Guiana”. Guyana might have been better off. Jews are a very smart and industrious people. If you play it smart you could do well with them. I am referring to the “moderate” ones. The conservatives like the Hasidics is a different story.

  • de castro  On August 2, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Interestingly funny Walter.
    When Jews fleeing Hitler arrived in Southampton Churchill
    the ‘war monger’ (defensive) sent them redirected the boatloads to USA…GOD BLESS CHURCHILL GOD BLESS AMERICA…
    at my cynically best !
    Guyana s loss but God bless Guyana ?
    Now Guyana will be invaded by Indians and Chinese
    not to mention few Brazilians.
    History has a funny way of repeating itself…BORING.

    MAYBE PALESTINIANS SHOULD BE OFFERED A SETTLEMENT
    IN THE GUYANA JUNGLE WITH KIND PERMISSION OF THE ABORIGINALS IN RESIDENCE…nomadic ameridian tribes.
    SURVIVAL!

  • Clyde Duncan  On August 3, 2014 at 5:18 am

    Why should the Palestinians be relocated?? They are the “Amerindians” of the Arab world. They belong there.

  • Clyde Duncan  On August 3, 2014 at 5:22 am

    My 85-year old friend and his family were deported to Palestine, after fleeing Hitler. He provided me with the list, which includes his family name, from Old Bailey.

  • de castro  On August 3, 2014 at 6:08 am

    OK then remain and be murdered/Palestine ed.
    Cant see the Israelites leaving……backed/armed by
    USA UK et al.!
    East/West detente….

    Guyana needs ‘economic migrants’ offer them Guyana s
    jungle as a safe haven…..not a ‘jonestown’ as per US
    citizens migration few years ago!!!
    We all know the Arabs are ‘customer’s’ of arms dealers
    endorsed by their governments ….hey did not the French
    sell their exorset missiles to the Argentineans in Falklands war.

    Who sells arms to Israel ? Why isn’t UN calling for a arms embargo ?….the hypocrites of the planet remain silent.

    The jews fleeing Hitler were offered USA ….the underdogs
    at the time …..did they not ‘prosper’ in America….
    Why cant the Palestinians prosper elsewhere….they are the
    underdogs today.
    Your 85 yo who was deported to palestine was not given a choice…heaven-hell-or purgatory{which is non existent today}
    that was the mistake ….today we have choices…Heaven or hell
    your choice….good or evil.
    My spin
    Kamtan

    • de castro  On August 3, 2014 at 6:14 am

      Correction
      Murdered/slaughtered/exterminated….the final solution?

    • Albert  On August 3, 2014 at 6:38 pm

      I saw some figures which said up to 2012 Israel receive 185 billion in financial aid from the US. The largest to any country by far. Most of the arms are free, including the most advanced military weapons. What can the UN do here? Nothing.
      Reading that piece from Friedman would suggest the Palestinians are better off negotiating some form of a peace deal. War against Israel, with the US providing them with all the weapons they need, is a no win situation

  • Clyde Duncan  On August 3, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    My 85-year old friend is not a Palestinian – He and his family are safe in Canada.

  • de castro  On August 3, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Canada can double its population in decade or two
    lets hope compassionate Canadians accept them.
    Economic migrants !

  • de castro  On August 4, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Albert
    The arms deal to Israel isn’t ‘free’ as u suggested.
    It could be loans ‘with conditions’ strings.!!
    Churchill left UK with astronomical war debt….
    Thatcher paid off loans by ‘privatisation’….
    Cameron will sell off the ‘crown jewels’…
    Israel will be ‘indebted’ to USA…..

    WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION are not ‘cash transactions’
    Its is UN responsibility to not only make arms deals illegal but
    enforce its embargo.
    The peace may return to the planet.
    Once we killed with spears/arrows today its AK47 s

    I point my finger to a ‘defunct/obsolete’ UN

    RIP

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